<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_187070" dir="ltr"><span><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/search.Search.html?type=publication&query=szilamandee">https://www.researchgate.net/search.Search.html?type=publication&query=szilamandee</a></span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_187074" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_187073"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_187072"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_187071"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_187077" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Otto E. Rossler <oeross00@yahoo.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Gyorgy Darvas <darvasg@iif.hu>; fis <fis@listas.unizar.es> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Louis H Kauffman <loukau@gmail.com>; Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January 11, 2017 3:12 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fis] A Curious Story<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_187078"><br><div id="yiv2375030678"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_187080"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_187079"><div id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62057"><span id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62059">I conform with Geörgyi's tale.</span></div><div class="yiv2375030678qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62048"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2375030678yqt9986530306" id="yiv2375030678yqt69894"><div class="yiv2375030678yahoo_quoted" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62052" style="display:block;"> <div id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62051" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62050" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62049"> <font id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62055" size="2" face="Arial"> </font><hr id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62054" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Gyorgy Darvas <darvasg@iif.hu><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> fis <fis@listas.unizar.es> <br clear="none"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> Otto E. Rossler <oeross00@yahoo.com>; Louis H Kauffman <loukau@gmail.com>; Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:09 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fis] A Curious Story<br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv2375030678y_msg_container" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62124"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv2375030678"><div id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62126">
<div id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62225"><font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Dear All,</font></font></div>
<div id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62125"><font id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62128" size="-1"><font id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62127" face="Arial">I follow O. Rössler's concerns
for a few years.</font></font></div>
<div id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62132"><font id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62131" size="-1"><font id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62130" face="Arial">As a physicist (who is probably
not the best specialist in the black hole physics), I do not
want to involve in detailed physical explanations and
mathematical proofs for information specialists, not certainly
specialised in physics. <br clear="none">
</font></font></div>
<div id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62136"><font id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62135" size="-1"><font id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62134" face="Arial">According to me, there is a
misunderstanding that makes the story curious.</font></font></div>
<div id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62145"><font id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62144" size="-1"><font id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62143" face="Arial">Stellar black holes are a
result of a gravitational collapse. That collapse takes place,
when the mass of the star exceeds a critical value; it is a
result of the locally high gravitational field. that
gravitational field is stronger than the electromagnetic field
that (in a very simplified picture) keeps the electrons
revolve in a distance around the nucleus. <br clear="none">
In the course of that gravitational collapse the electron
shells of the atoms fall in the nucleus. </font></font><font id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62227" size="-1"><font id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62226" face="Arial"><font size="-1"><font face="Arial">
The properties of the black holes are defined for them.</font></font>
The star becomes very small in size, but has a strong
gravitational field, and behaves like described in the bh
literature.<br clear="none">
Cause: high gravity; effect: collapse, emergence of a bh.<br clear="none">
</font></font></div>
<div id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62139"><font id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62138" size="-1"><font id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62137" face="Arial">One can produce single atom
collapse in extreme laboratory circumstances. Why not?
However, that single (or few) atom collapse will not produce a
gravitational field exceeding the critical value; since its
mass is much less than the critical. The reason is that it was
"created" not by a self-generated gravitational collapse.
Therefore, it will not "eat" matter in its environment.
According to the lack of distance between the nucleus and
electron shell(s) around it, these "atoms" (sic!) are called
mini-black-holes. However, they do not behave like the stellar
black holes over the critical mass. <b>The name is only an
analogy</b>, marked by the prefix "mini-".<br clear="none">
Cause: not high gravity; effect: no critical mass, no more
attraction of other masses around it than before its collapse.
<br clear="none">
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<div id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62147"><font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Regards,<br clear="none">
Gyuri<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv2375030678yqt0271428217" id="yiv2375030678yqt75544"><div class="yiv2375030678moz-cite-prefix" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62170">On 2017.01.11. 11:33, Otto E. Rossler
wrote:<br clear="none">
</div>
<blockquote id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62173" type="cite">
<div id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62172" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">
<div id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258451"><span>I like
this response from Lou,</span></div>
<div id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258564"><span>Otto</span></div>
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<font id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258449" size="2" face="Arial">
</font><hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
Louis H Kauffman <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2375030678moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:loukau@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:loukau@gmail.com"><loukau@gmail.com></a><br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
Pedro C. Marijuan <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2375030678moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62174" ymailto="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank" href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"><pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es></a> <br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> fis
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2375030678moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a><br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, January 10, 2017 6:09 PM<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Fis] A Curious Story<br clear="none">
</div>
<div class="yiv2375030678y_msg_container" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258475"><br clear="none">
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<div id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258474">Dear
Folks,
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258473">It is
very important to not be hasty and assume that the
warning Professor Rossler made is to be taken
seriously.</div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258479">It is
relatively easy to check if a mathematical
reasoning is true or false.</div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258478">It is
much more difficult to see if a piece of
mathematics is correctly alligned to physical
prediction.</div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258477">Note
also that a reaction such as </div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258476">"THIS
STORY IS A GOOD REASON FOR SHUTTING DOWN CERN
PERMANENTLY AND SAVING A LOT OF LARGELY WASTED
MONEY.”.</div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258480">Is not
in the form of scientific rational discussion, but
rather in the form of taking a given conclusion
for granted</div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258481"> and
using it to support another opinion that is just
that - an opinion. </div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258569"><br class="yiv2375030678" clear="none">
</div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258567">By
concatenating such behaviors we arrive at the
present political state of the world.</div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258568"><br class="yiv2375030678" clear="none">
</div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1484135554670_62184">This is why, in my
letter, I have asked for an honest discussion of
the possible validity of Professor Rossler’s
arguments.</div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258483"><br class="yiv2375030678" clear="none">
</div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258485">At
this point I run out of commentary room for this
week and I shall read and look forward to making
further comments next week.</div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258561">Best,</div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258513">Lou
Kauffman</div>
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<div id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258508">
<blockquote class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258507" type="cite">
<div class="yiv2375030678yqt1808762045" id="yiv2375030678yqtfd80764">
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258506">On
Jan 9, 2017, at 7:17 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan
<<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258515" ymailto="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank" href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258505">From
Alex Hankey</div>
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reenviado --------</div>
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[Fis] A Curious Story</td></tr><tr class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258487"><th colspan="1" rowspan="1" class="yiv2375030678" valign="BASELINE" nowrap="" align="RIGHT">Fecha:
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8 Jan 2017 19:55:55 +0530</td></tr><tr class="yiv2375030678"><th colspan="1" rowspan="1" class="yiv2375030678" valign="BASELINE" nowrap="" align="RIGHT">De:
</th><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" class="yiv2375030678">Alex Hankey <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2375030678moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:alexhankey@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:alexhankey@gmail.com"><alexhankey@gmail.com></a></td></tr><tr class="yiv2375030678"><th colspan="1" rowspan="1" class="yiv2375030678" valign="BASELINE" nowrap="" align="RIGHT">Para:
</th><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" class="yiv2375030678">PEDRO CLEMENTE
MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2375030678moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank" href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"><pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es></a></td></tr></tbody></table>
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<div id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258522">
<div class="yiv2375030678" dir="ltr">THIS STORY IS
A GOOD REASON FOR SHUTTING DOWN CERN PERMANENTLY
AND SAVING A LOT OF LARGELY WASTED MONEY.</div>
<div class="yiv2375030678gmail_extra" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258521"><br class="yiv2375030678" clear="none">
<div class="yiv2375030678gmail_quote" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258520">On
5 January 2017 at 16:36, PEDRO CLEMENTE
MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ <span class="yiv2375030678" dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2375030678" ymailto="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank" href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>></span>
wrote:<br class="yiv2375030678" clear="none">
<blockquote class="yiv2375030678gmail_quote" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258519" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258518">
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258517" style="direction:ltr;font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10pt;">Dear FISers,
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<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258555">Herewith
the Lecture inaugurating our 2017
sessions.</div>
<div class="yiv2375030678">I really hope
that this Curious Story is just that,
a curiosity.</div>
<div class="yiv2375030678">But in
science we should not look for hopes
but for arguments and
counter-arguments...</div>
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<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258551">Best
wishes to All and exciting times for
the New Year!</div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258552">--Pedro</div>
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Otto E. Rossler [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2375030678" ymailto="mailto:oeross00@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:oeross00@yahoo.com">oeross00@yahoo.com</a>]<br class="yiv2375030678" clear="none">
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<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10547"><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10548" style="" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10549"><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550" style="" lang="EN-US">Otto
E. Rossler, University of
Tübingen, Germany<br class="yiv2375030678" clear="none">
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<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10763"><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550" style="" lang="EN-US">Maybe
I am the only one who
finds it curious. Which
fact would then make it
even more curious for me.
It goes like this: Someone
says “I can save your
house from a time bomb
planted into the basement”
and you respond by saying
“I don’t care.” This
curious story is taken
from the Buddhist bible.
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<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10551"><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10552" style="" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" dir="ltr" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10553"><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10554" style="" lang="EN-US">It
of course depends on who
is offering to help. It
could be a lunatic person
claiming that he alone can
save the planet from a
time-bomb about to be
planted into it. In that
case, there would be no
reason to worry. On the
other hand, it could also
be that you, the manager,
are a bit high at the
moment so that you don't
fully appreciate the offer
made to you. How serious
is my offer herewith made
to you today?</span></div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10555"><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10556" style="" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10557"><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10558" style="" lang="EN-US">I
only say that for eight
years' time already, there
exists no counter-proof in
the literature to my at
first highly publicized
proof of danger. I was
able to demonstrate that
the miniature black holes
officially attempted to be
produced at CERN do
possess two radically new
properties: <br class="yiv2375030678" clear="none">
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<ul dir="ltr" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11919" class="yiv2375030678"><li class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11920"><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11967" style="font-family:Symbol;" lang="EN-US"><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11968"><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11969" style="font:7.0pt;"></span></span></span><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11970" style="" lang="EN-US">they
cannot Hawking evaporate
</span></li><li class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11921"><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12016" style="font-family:Symbol;" lang="EN-US"><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12017"><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12018" style="font:7.0pt;"></span></span></span><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12019" style="" lang="EN-US">they
grow exponentially
inside matter</span><br class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11922" clear="none">
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<span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10565" style="font-family:Symbol;" lang="EN-US"> </span><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10568" style="" lang="EN-US"></span>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10569"><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10570" style="" lang="EN-US">If
these two findings hold
water, the current attempt
at producing ultra-slow
miniature black holes on
earth near the town of
Geneva means that the
slower-most specimen will
get stuck inside earth and
grow there exponentially
to turn the planet into a
2-cm black hole after
several of undetectable
growth. Therefore the
current attempt of CERN's
to produce them near
Geneva is a bit curious. </span></div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10571"><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10572" style="" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10573"><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10574" style="" lang="EN-US">What
is so curious about CERN's
attempt? It is the fact
that no one finds it
curious. I am reminded of
an old joke: The professor
informs the candidate
about the outcome of the
oral exam with the
following words “You are
bound to laugh but you
have flunked the test.” I
never understood the
punchline. I likewise
cannot understand why a
never refuted proof of the
biggest danger of history
leaves everyone
unconcerned. Why NOT check
an unattended piece of
luggage on the airport
called Earth? <span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10575"> </span></span></div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10576"><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10577" style="" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10578"><span class="yiv2375030678" id="yiv2375030678m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10579" style="" lang="EN-US">To
my mind, this is the most
curious story ever -- for
the very reason that
everyone finds it boring.
A successful counter-proof
would thus alleviate but a
single person’s fears –
mine. You, my dear reader,
are thus my last hope that
you might be able to
explain the punch line to
me: “Why is it that it
does not matter downstairs
that the first floor is
ablaze?” I am genuinely
curious to learn why
attempting planetocide is
fun. Are you not?<br class="yiv2375030678" clear="none">
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