<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258451"><span>I like this response from Lou,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258564"><span>Otto</span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258450"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258448" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258447"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258446"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258445"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258449" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Louis H Kauffman <loukau@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> fis <fis@listas.unizar.es><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 10, 2017 6:09 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fis] A Curious Story<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258475"><br><div id="yiv3119214735"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258474">Dear Folks,<div class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258473">It is very important to not be hasty and assume that the warning Professor Rossler made is to be taken seriously.</div><div class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258479">It is relatively easy to check if a mathematical reasoning is true or false.</div><div class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258478">It is much more difficult to see if a piece of mathematics is correctly alligned to physical prediction.</div><div class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258477">Note also that a reaction such as </div><div class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258476">"THIS STORY IS A GOOD REASON FOR SHUTTING DOWN CERN PERMANENTLY AND SAVING A LOT OF LARGELY WASTED MONEY.”.</div><div class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258480">Is not in the form of scientific rational discussion, but rather in the form of taking a given conclusion for granted</div><div class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258481"> and using it to support another opinion that is just that - an opinion. </div><div class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258569"><br class="yiv3119214735" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258567">By concatenating such behaviors we arrive at the present political state of the world.</div><div class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258568"><br class="yiv3119214735" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3119214735">This is why, in my letter, I have asked for an honest discussion of the possible validity of Professor Rossler’s arguments.</div><div class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258483"><br class="yiv3119214735" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258485">At this point I run out of commentary room for this week and I shall read and look forward to making further comments next week.</div><div class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258561">Best,</div><div class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258513">Lou Kauffman</div><div class="yiv3119214735"><br class="yiv3119214735" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258509"><br class="yiv3119214735" clear="none"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258508"><blockquote class="yiv3119214735" type="cite" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258507"><div class="yiv3119214735yqt1808762045" id="yiv3119214735yqtfd80764"><div class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258506">On Jan 9, 2017, at 7:17 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv3119214735" ymailto="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank" href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258515">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>> wrote:</div><br class="yiv3119214735Apple-interchange-newline" clear="none"><div class="yiv3119214735">
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<table class="yiv3119214735moz-email-headers-table yahoo-compose-table-card" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258489" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258488"><tr class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258558"><th colspan="1" rowspan="1" class="yiv3119214735" valign="BASELINE" nowrap="" align="RIGHT">Asunto:
</th><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258557">Re: [Fis] A Curious Story</td></tr><tr class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258487"><th colspan="1" rowspan="1" class="yiv3119214735" valign="BASELINE" nowrap="" align="RIGHT">Fecha: </th><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258486">Sun, 8 Jan 2017 19:55:55 +0530</td></tr><tr class="yiv3119214735"><th colspan="1" rowspan="1" class="yiv3119214735" valign="BASELINE" nowrap="" align="RIGHT">De: </th><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" class="yiv3119214735">Alex Hankey <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv3119214735moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:alexhankey@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:alexhankey@gmail.com"><alexhankey@gmail.com></a></td></tr><tr class="yiv3119214735"><th colspan="1" rowspan="1" class="yiv3119214735" valign="BASELINE" nowrap="" align="RIGHT">Para: </th><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" class="yiv3119214735">PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv3119214735moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank" href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"><pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es></a></td></tr></tbody></table>
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</div></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258522"><div class="yiv3119214735" dir="ltr">THIS STORY IS A GOOD REASON FOR SHUTTING DOWN CERN
PERMANENTLY AND SAVING A LOT OF LARGELY WASTED MONEY.</div>
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<div class="yiv3119214735gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258520">On 5 January 2017 at 16:36, PEDRO
CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ <span class="yiv3119214735" dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv3119214735" ymailto="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank" href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>></span>
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<div class="yiv3119214735" style="direction:ltr;font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258517">Dear
FISers,
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<div class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258555">Herewith the Lecture inaugurating our 2017
sessions.</div>
<div class="yiv3119214735">I really hope that this Curious Story is just that,
a curiosity.</div>
<div class="yiv3119214735">But in science we should not look for hopes but for
arguments and counter-arguments...</div>
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<div class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258551">Best wishes to All and exciting times for the New
Year!</div>
<div class="yiv3119214735" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_258552">--Pedro</div>
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<div class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950divRpF987497" style="direction:ltr;"><font class="yiv3119214735" size="2" face="Tahoma"><b class="yiv3119214735">De:</b> Otto E.
Rossler [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv3119214735" ymailto="mailto:oeross00@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:oeross00@yahoo.com">oeross00@yahoo.com</a>]<br class="yiv3119214735" clear="none">
<b class="yiv3119214735">Enviado el:</b> miércoles, 04 de enero de
2017 17:51<br class="yiv3119214735" clear="none">
<b class="yiv3119214735">Para:</b> PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ<br class="yiv3119214735" clear="none">
<b class="yiv3119214735">Asunto:</b> NY session<br class="yiv3119214735" clear="none">
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<div class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10544"><b class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10545"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10546" style="font-size:20.0pt;" lang="EN-US">A Curious Story</span></b></div>
<div class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10547"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10548" style="" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10549"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550" style="" lang="EN-US">Otto E. Rossler, University
of Tübingen, Germany<br class="yiv3119214735" clear="none">
</span></div>
<div class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10764"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550" style="" lang="EN-US"><br class="yiv3119214735" clear="none">
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<div class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10763"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550" style="" lang="EN-US">Maybe I am the only one who
finds it curious. Which fact would then
make it even more curious for me. It goes
like this: Someone says “I can save your
house from a time bomb planted into the
basement” and you respond by saying “I
don’t care.” This curious story is taken
from the Buddhist bible.
</span></div>
<div class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10551"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10552" style="" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv3119214735" dir="ltr" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10553"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10554" style="" lang="EN-US">It of course depends on who
is offering to help. It could be a lunatic
person claiming that he alone can save the
planet from a time-bomb about to be
planted into it. In that case, there would
be no reason to worry. On the other hand,
it could also be that you, the manager,
are a bit high at the moment so that you
don't fully appreciate the offer made to
you. How serious is my offer herewith made
to you today?</span></div>
<div class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10555"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10556" style="" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10557"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10558" style="" lang="EN-US">I only say that for eight
years' time already, there exists no
counter-proof in the literature to my at
first highly publicized proof of danger. I
was able to demonstrate that the miniature
black holes officially attempted to be
produced at CERN do possess two radically
new properties:
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<ul dir="ltr" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11919" class="yiv3119214735"><li class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11920"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11967" style="font-family:Symbol;" lang="EN-US"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11968"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11969" style="font:7.0pt;"></span></span></span><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11970" style="" lang="EN-US">they cannot Hawking
evaporate </span></li><li class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11921"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12016" style="font-family:Symbol;" lang="EN-US"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12017"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12018" style="font:7.0pt;"></span></span></span><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12019" style="" lang="EN-US">they grow exponentially
inside matter</span><br class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11922" clear="none">
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<span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10565" style="font-family:Symbol;" lang="EN-US"> </span><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10568" style="" lang="EN-US"></span>
<div class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10569"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10570" style="" lang="EN-US">If these two findings hold
water, the current attempt at producing
ultra-slow miniature black holes on earth
near the town of Geneva means that the
slower-most specimen will get stuck inside
earth and grow there exponentially to turn
the planet into a 2-cm black hole after
several of undetectable growth. Therefore
the current attempt of CERN's to produce
them near Geneva is a bit curious. </span></div>
<div class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10571"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10572" style="" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10573"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10574" style="" lang="EN-US">What is so curious about
CERN's attempt? It is the fact that no one
finds it curious. I am reminded of an old
joke: The professor informs the candidate
about the outcome of the oral exam with
the following words “You are bound to
laugh but you have flunked the test.” I
never understood the punchline. I likewise
cannot understand why a never refuted
proof of the biggest danger of history
leaves everyone unconcerned. Why NOT check
an unattended piece of luggage on the
airport called Earth?
<span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10575"> </span></span></div>
<div class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10576"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10577" style="" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10578"><span class="yiv3119214735" id="yiv3119214735m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10579" style="" lang="EN-US">To my mind, this is the most
curious story ever -- for the very reason
that everyone finds it boring. A
successful counter-proof would thus
alleviate but a single person’s fears –
mine. You, my dear reader, are thus my
last hope that you might be able to
explain the punch line to me: “Why is it
that it does not matter downstairs that
the first floor is ablaze?” I am genuinely
curious to learn why attempting
planetocide is fun. Are you not?<br class="yiv3119214735" clear="none">
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