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<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_260387">"The operation of the LHC is safe, not only in the old sense of that word, but in the more general sense that our most qualified scientists have thoroughly considered and analyzed the risks involved in the operation of the LHC. [Any concerns] are merely hypothetical and speculative, and contradicted by much evidence and scientific analysis."</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_260390">Prof. Sheldon Glashow, Nobel Laureate in Physics, Boston University,</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_260391">Prof. Frank Wilczek, Nobel Laureate in Physics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology,</div>
<div dir="ltr">Prof. Richard Wilson, Mallinckrodt Professor of Physics, Harvard University<br clear="none"></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_260392">"The world will not come to an end when the LHC turns on. The LHC is absolutely safe. ... Collisions releasing greater energy occur millions of times a day in the earth's atmosphere and nothing terrible happens."</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_260397">Prof. Steven Hawking, Lucasian Professor of Mathematics, Cambridge University<br clear="none"></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_260398">"Nature has already done this experiment. ... Cosmic rays have hit the moon with more energy and have not produced a black hole that has swallowed up the moon. The universe doesn't go around popping off huge black holes."</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_260400">Prof. Edward Kolb, Astrophysicist, University of Chicago<br clear="none"></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_260401">"I certainly have no worries at all about the purported possibility of LHC producing microscopic black holes capable of eating up the Earth. There is no scientific basis whatever for such wild speculations."</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_260405">Prof. Sir Roger Penrose, Former Rouse Ball Professor of Mathematics, Oxford University<br clear="none"></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_260403">"There is no risk [in LHC collisions, and] the LSAG report is excellent."</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_260404">Prof. Lord Martin Rees, UK Astronomer Royal and President of the Royal Society of London<br clear="none"></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_260407">"Those who have doubts about LHC safety should read LSAG report where all possible risks were considered. We can be sure that particle collisions at the LHC cannot lead to a catastrophic consequences."</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_260408">Academician V.A. Rubakov, Institute for Nuclear Research, Moscow, and Russian Academy of Sciences<br clear="none"></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_260409">"We fully endorse the conclusions of the LSAG report: there is no basis for any concerns about the consequences of new particles or forms of matter that could possibly be produced at the LHC."</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_260412">R. Aleksan et al., the 20 external members of the CERN Scientific Policy Committee, including Prof. Gerard 't Hooft, Nobel Laureate in Physics.<br clear="none"></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483728784718_260411">http://press.cern/backgrounders/safety-lhc<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>
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</div>martedì, 10 gennaio 2017, 06:09PM +01:00 da Louis H Kauffman <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:loukau@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:loukau@gmail.com">loukau@gmail.com</a>:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><blockquote id="yiv0168379543mail-app-auto-quote" style="border-left:1px solid #85AF31;margin:0px 0px 0px 10px;padding:0px 0px 0px 10px;">
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</div></div></blockquote></div><base><div><div class="yiv0168379543yqt2640016135" id="yiv0168379543yqt76414"><div id="yiv0168379543style_14840682780000026474_BODY">Dear Folks,<div>It is very important to not be hasty and assume that the warning Professor Rossler made is to be taken seriously.</div><div>It is relatively easy to check if a mathematical reasoning is true or false.</div><div>It is much more difficult to see if a piece of mathematics is correctly alligned to physical prediction.</div><div>Note also that a reaction such as </div><div>"THIS STORY IS A GOOD REASON FOR SHUTTING DOWN CERN PERMANENTLY AND SAVING A LOT OF LARGELY WASTED MONEY.”.</div><div>Is not in the form of scientific rational discussion, but rather in the form of taking a given conclusion for granted</div><div> and using it to support another opinion that is just that - an opinion. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>By concatenating such behaviors we arrive at the present political state of the world.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>This is why, in my letter, I have asked for an honest discussion of the possible validity of Professor Rossler’s arguments.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>At this point I run out of commentary room for this week and I shall read and look forward to making further comments next week.</div><div>Best,</div><div>Lou Kauffman</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jan 9, 2017, at 7:17 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://e-aj.my.com//e-aj.my.com/compose/?mailto=mailto%3apcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none"><div>
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</th><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">Re: [Fis] A Curious Story</td></tr><tr><th colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="BASELINE" nowrap="" align="RIGHT">Fecha: </th><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">Sun, 8 Jan 2017 19:55:55 +0530</td></tr><tr><th colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="BASELINE" nowrap="" align="RIGHT">De: </th><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">Alex Hankey <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://e-aj.my.com//e-aj.my.com/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aalexhankey@gmail.com"><alexhankey@gmail.com></a></td></tr><tr><th colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="BASELINE" nowrap="" align="RIGHT">Para: </th><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ
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<div dir="ltr">THIS STORY IS A GOOD REASON FOR SHUTTING DOWN CERN
PERMANENTLY AND SAVING A LOT OF LARGELY WASTED MONEY.</div>
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<div>On 5 January 2017 at 16:36, PEDRO
CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://e-aj.my.com//e-aj.my.com/compose/?mailto=mailto%3apcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>></span>
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<div>Herewith the Lecture inaugurating our 2017
sessions.</div>
<div>I really hope that this Curious Story is just that,
a curiosity.</div>
<div>But in science we should not look for hopes but for
arguments and counter-arguments...</div>
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<div>Best wishes to All and exciting times for the New
Year!</div>
<div>--Pedro</div>
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<b>Enviado el:</b> miércoles, 04 de enero de
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<div><b><span style="font-size:20.0pt;font-family:'Calibri', 'sans-serif';" lang="EN-US">A Curious Story</span></b></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:'Calibri', 'sans-serif';" lang="EN-US">Otto E. Rossler, University
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<div><span style="font-family:'Calibri', 'sans-serif';" lang="EN-US">Maybe I am the only one who
finds it curious. Which fact would then
make it even more curious for me. It goes
like this: Someone says “I can save your
house from a time bomb planted into the
basement” and you respond by saying “I
don’t care.” This curious story is taken
from the Buddhist bible.
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<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:'Calibri', 'sans-serif';" lang="EN-US">It of course depends on who
is offering to help. It could be a lunatic
person claiming that he alone can save the
planet from a time-bomb about to be
planted into it. In that case, there would
be no reason to worry. On the other hand,
it could also be that you, the manager,
are a bit high at the moment so that you
don't fully appreciate the offer made to
you. How serious is my offer herewith made
to you today?</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:'Calibri', 'sans-serif';" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:'Calibri', 'sans-serif';" lang="EN-US">I only say that for eight
years' time already, there exists no
counter-proof in the literature to my at
first highly publicized proof of danger. I
was able to demonstrate that the miniature
black holes officially attempted to be
produced at CERN do possess two radically
new properties:
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<ul dir="ltr"><li><span style="font-family:Symbol;" lang="EN-US"><span><span style="font:7.0pt 'Times New Roman';"></span></span></span><span style="font-family:'Calibri', 'sans-serif';" lang="EN-US">they cannot Hawking
evaporate </span></li><li><span style="font-family:Symbol;" lang="EN-US"><span><span style="font:7.0pt 'Times New Roman';"></span></span></span><span style="font-family:'Calibri', 'sans-serif';" lang="EN-US">they grow exponentially
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<div><span style="font-family:'Calibri', 'sans-serif';" lang="EN-US">If these two findings hold
water, the current attempt at producing
ultra-slow miniature black holes on earth
near the town of Geneva means that the
slower-most specimen will get stuck inside
earth and grow there exponentially to turn
the planet into a 2-cm black hole after
several of undetectable growth. Therefore
the current attempt of CERN's to produce
them near Geneva is a bit curious. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:'Calibri', 'sans-serif';" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:'Calibri', 'sans-serif';" lang="EN-US">What is so curious about
CERN's attempt? It is the fact that no one
finds it curious. I am reminded of an old
joke: The professor informs the candidate
about the outcome of the oral exam with
the following words “You are bound to
laugh but you have flunked the test.” I
never understood the punchline. I likewise
cannot understand why a never refuted
proof of the biggest danger of history
leaves everyone unconcerned. Why NOT check
an unattended piece of luggage on the
airport called Earth?
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<div><span style="font-family:'Calibri', 'sans-serif';" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:'Calibri', 'sans-serif';" lang="EN-US">To my mind, this is the most
curious story ever -- for the very reason
that everyone finds it boring. A
successful counter-proof would thus
alleviate but a single person’s fears –
mine. You, my dear reader, are thus my
last hope that you might be able to
explain the punch line to me: “Why is it
that it does not matter downstairs that
the first floor is ablaze?” I am genuinely
curious to learn why attempting
planetocide is fun. Are you not?<br clear="none">
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