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<td>Re: [Fis] A Curious Story</td>
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<td>Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:32:50 +0100</td>
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<td>Joseph Brenner <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch"><joe.brenner@bluewin.ch></a></td>
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<td>Joseph Brenner <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch"><joe.brenner@bluewin.ch></a></td>
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<td>PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"><pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es></a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</a></td>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Dear All,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Happy New Year indeed! Let us all
'hope' (here OK) that 2017 does not turn into 1984. . .</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Regarding the proposed discussion
topic, I have two suggestions:</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">1) everyone should read, at
least, the excellent and recent (Dec., 2016) Wikipedia article
on Small Black Holes, so that we can share a minimum
background (sic);</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">2) Otto should please tell us his
theory of why miniature black holes from any source should not
Hawking evaporate after exhausting the matter within a Fermi
distance, thus eliminating the possibility of further growth.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">'Cheers',</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Joseph</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
black"><b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"
href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">PEDRO CLEMENTE
MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="fis@listas.unizar.es"
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 05,
2017 12:06 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [Fis] A Curious
Story</div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; DIRECTION: ltr;
FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Dear FISers,
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<div>Herewith the Lecture inaugurating our 2017 sessions.</div>
<div>I really hope that this Curious Story is just that, a
curiosity.</div>
<div>But in science we should not look for hopes but for
arguments and counter-arguments...</div>
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<div>Best wishes to All and exciting times for the New Year!</div>
<div>--Pedro</div>
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Otto E. Rossler [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:oeross00@yahoo.com">oeross00@yahoo.com</a>]<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> miércoles, 04 de enero de 2017
17:51<br>
<b>Para:</b> PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> NY session<br>
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id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10545"><span
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style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Calibri','sans-serif'" lang="EN-US">A Curious
Story</span></b></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10547"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10548"
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"
lang="EN-US"></span> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10549"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550"
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"
lang="EN-US">Otto E. Rossler, University of
Tübingen, Germany<br>
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id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550"
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"
lang="EN-US"><br>
</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10763"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550"
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"
lang="EN-US">Maybe I am the only one who finds
it curious. Which fact would then make it even
more curious for me. It goes like this: Someone
says “I can save your house from a time bomb
planted into the basement” and you respond by
saying “I don’t care.” This curious story is
taken from the Buddhist bible. </span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10551"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10552"
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"
lang="EN-US"></span> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10553"
dir="ltr"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10554"
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"
lang="EN-US">It of course depends on who is
offering to help. It could be a lunatic person
claiming that he alone can save the planet from
a time-bomb about to be planted into it. In that
case, there would be no reason to worry. On the
other hand, it could also be that you, the
manager, are a bit high at the moment so that
you don't fully appreciate the offer made to
you. How serious is my offer herewith made to
you today?</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10555"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10556"
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"
lang="EN-US"></span> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10557"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10558"
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"
lang="EN-US">I only say that for eight years'
time already, there exists no counter-proof in
the literature to my at first highly publicized
proof of danger. I was able to demonstrate that
the miniature black holes officially attempted
to be produced at CERN do possess two radically
new properties: <br>
</span></div>
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id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11967"
style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol" lang="EN-US"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11968"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11969"
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></span><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11970"
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"
lang="EN-US">they cannot Hawking evaporate </span>
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<li id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11921"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12016"
style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol" lang="EN-US"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12017"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12018"
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></span><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12019"
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"
lang="EN-US">they grow exponentially inside
matter</span><br
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<span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10565"
style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol" lang="EN-US"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10566"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10567"
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10568"
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"
lang="EN-US"></span>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10569"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10570"
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"
lang="EN-US">If these two findings hold water,
the current attempt at producing ultra-slow
miniature black holes on earth near the town of
Geneva means that the slower-most specimen will
get stuck inside earth and grow there
exponentially to turn the planet into a 2-cm
black hole after several of undetectable growth.
Therefore the current attempt of CERN's to
produce them near Geneva is a bit curious. </span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10571"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10572"
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"
lang="EN-US"></span> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10573"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10574"
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"
lang="EN-US">What is so curious about CERN's
attempt? It is the fact that no one finds it
curious. I am reminded of an old joke: The
professor informs the candidate about the
outcome of the oral exam with the following
words “You are bound to laugh but you have
flunked the test.” I never understood the
punchline. I likewise cannot understand why a
never refuted proof of the biggest danger of
history leaves everyone unconcerned. Why NOT
check an unattended piece of luggage on the
airport called Earth? <span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10575"> </span></span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10576"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10577"
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"
lang="EN-US"></span> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10578"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10579"
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"
lang="EN-US">To my mind, this is the most
curious story ever -- for the very reason that
everyone finds it boring. A successful
counter-proof would thus alleviate but a single
person’s fears – mine. You, my dear reader, are
thus my last hope that you might be able to
explain the punch line to me: “Why is it that it
does not matter downstairs that the first floor
is ablaze?” I am genuinely curious to learn why
attempting planetocide is fun. Are you not?<br>
</span></div>
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id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10579"
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"
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id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10579"
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"
lang="EN-US">For J.O.R.<br>
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