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<td>Re: [Fis] A Curious Story</td>
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<td>Louis H Kauffman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:loukau@gmail.com"><loukau@gmail.com></a></td>
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<td>PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ
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Dear Pedro,
<div class="">Ok. Can we have the text of Professor Rossler’s
proof that these mini-black holes</div>
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class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11970"
class="" style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" lang="EN-US">cannot Hawking
evaporate </span></li>
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class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12019"
class="" style="font-family: Calibri,
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It would be very interesting to debate the details.</div>
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<div class="">I find on the web:</div>
<div class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/ottoroesslerminiblackhole.pdf"
class="">http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/ottoroesslerminiblackhole.pdf</a></div>
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href="http://www.science20.com/big_science_gambles/blog/interview_professor_otto_r%C3%B6ssler_takes_lhc-31449"
class="">http://www.science20.com/big_science_gambles/blog/interview_professor_otto_rössler_takes_lhc-31449</a></div>
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href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/2650665/Legal-bid-to-stop-CERN-atom-smasher-from-destroying-the-world.html"
class="">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/2650665/Legal-bid-to-stop-CERN-atom-smasher-from-destroying-the-world.html</a></div>
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href="http://environmental-impact.web.cern.ch/environmental-impact/Objects/LHCSafety/NicolaiComment-en.pdf"
class="">http://environmental-impact.web.cern.ch/environmental-impact/Objects/LHCSafety/NicolaiComment-en.pdf</a></div>
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<div class="">Best,</div>
<div class="">Lou Kauffman</div>
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<div class="">On Jan 5, 2017, at 5:06 AM, PEDRO CLEMENTE
MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" class="">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>>
wrote:</div>
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font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;" class="">Dear
FISers,
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<div class="">Herewith the Lecture inaugurating our 2017
sessions.</div>
<div class="">I really hope that this Curious Story is
just that, a curiosity.</div>
<div class="">But in science we should not look for
hopes but for arguments and counter-arguments...</div>
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<div class="">Best wishes to All and exciting times for
the New Year!</div>
<div class="">--Pedro</div>
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class=""><font class="" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b
class="">De:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Otto
E. Rossler [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oeross00@yahoo.com" class="">oeross00@yahoo.com</a>]<br
class="">
<b class="">Enviado el:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>miércoles,
04 de enero de 2017 17:51<br class="">
<b class="">Para:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>PEDRO
CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ<br class="">
<b class="">Asunto:</b> NY session<br class="">
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class=""><b
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10545"
class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10546"
style="font-size: 20pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""
lang="EN-US">A Curious Story</span></b></div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10547"
class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10548"
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10549"
class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550"
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="" lang="EN-US">Otto E. Rossler,
University of Tübingen, Germany<br
class="">
</span></div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10764"
class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550"
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="" lang="EN-US"><br class="">
</span></div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10763"
class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550"
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="" lang="EN-US">Maybe I am the only
one who finds it curious. Which fact would
then make it even more curious for me. It
goes like this: Someone says “I can save
your house from a time bomb planted into
the basement” and you respond by saying “I
don’t care.” This curious story is taken
from the Buddhist bible. </span></div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10551"
class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10552"
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10553"
dir="ltr" class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10554"
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="" lang="EN-US">It of course depends
on who is offering to help. It could be a
lunatic person claiming that he alone can
save the planet from a time-bomb about to
be planted into it. In that case, there
would be no reason to worry. On the other
hand, it could also be that you, the
manager, are a bit high at the moment so
that you don't fully appreciate the offer
made to you. How serious is my offer
herewith made to you today?</span></div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10555"
class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10556"
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10557"
class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10558"
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="" lang="EN-US">I only say that for
eight years' time already, there exists no
counter-proof in the literature to my at
first highly publicized proof of danger. I
was able to demonstrate that the miniature
black holes officially attempted to be
produced at CERN do possess two radically
new properties:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
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<li
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class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11967"
style="font-family: Symbol;" class=""
lang="EN-US"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11968"
class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11969"
style="font-style: normal;
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normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height:
normal; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';" class=""></span></span></span><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11970" style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="" lang="EN-US">they
cannot Hawking evaporate<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></li>
<li
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11921"
class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12016"
style="font-family: Symbol;" class=""
lang="EN-US"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12017"
class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12018"
style="font-style: normal;
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normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height:
normal; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';" class=""></span></span></span><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12019" style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="" lang="EN-US">they
grow exponentially inside matter</span><br
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<span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10565"
style="font-family: Symbol;" class=""
lang="EN-US"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10566"
class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10567"
style="font-style: normal; font-variant:
normal; font-weight: normal; font-size:
7pt; line-height: normal; font-family:
'Times New Roman';" class=""> </span></span></span><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10568"
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="" lang="EN-US"></span>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10569"
class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10570"
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="" lang="EN-US">If these two
findings hold water, the current attempt
at producing ultra-slow miniature black
holes on earth near the town of Geneva
means that the slower-most specimen will
get stuck inside earth and grow there
exponentially to turn the planet into a
2-cm black hole after several of
undetectable growth. Therefore the current
attempt of CERN's to produce them near
Geneva is a bit curious.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10571"
class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10572"
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10573"
class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10574"
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="" lang="EN-US">What is so curious
about CERN's attempt? It is the fact that
no one finds it curious. I am reminded of
an old joke: The professor informs the
candidate about the outcome of the oral
exam with the following words “You are
bound to laugh but you have flunked the
test.” I never understood the punchline. I
likewise cannot understand why a never
refuted proof of the biggest danger of
history leaves everyone unconcerned. Why
NOT check an unattended piece of luggage
on the airport called Earth?<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10575" class=""> </span></span></div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10576"
class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10577"
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10578"
class=""><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10579"
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="" lang="EN-US">To my mind, this is
the most curious story ever -- for the
very reason that everyone finds it boring.
A successful counter-proof would thus
alleviate but a single person’s fears –
mine. You, my dear reader, are thus my
last hope that you might be able to
explain the punch line to me: “Why is it
that it does not matter downstairs that
the first floor is ablaze?” I am genuinely
curious to learn why attempting
planetocide is fun. Are you not?<br
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