<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Folks,<div class="">It is very important to not be hasty and assume that the warning Professor Rossler made is to be taken seriously.</div><div class="">It is relatively easy to check if a mathematical reasoning is true or false.</div><div class="">It is much more difficult to see if a piece of mathematics is correctly alligned to physical prediction.</div><div class="">Note also that a reaction such as </div><div class="">"THIS STORY IS A GOOD REASON FOR SHUTTING DOWN CERN PERMANENTLY AND SAVING A LOT OF LARGELY WASTED MONEY.”.</div><div class="">Is not in the form of scientific rational discussion, but rather in the form of taking a given conclusion for granted</div><div class=""> and using it to support another opinion that is just that - an opinion. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">By concatenating such behaviors we arrive at the present political state of the world.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is why, in my letter, I have asked for an honest discussion of the possible validity of Professor Rossler’s arguments.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">At this point I run out of commentary room for this week and I shall read and look forward to making further comments next week.</div><div class="">Best,</div><div class="">Lou Kauffman</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 9, 2017, at 7:17 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan <<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" class="">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="">THIS STORY IS A GOOD REASON FOR SHUTTING DOWN CERN
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 5 January 2017 at 16:36, PEDRO
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<div class="">Herewith the Lecture inaugurating our 2017
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<div class="">I really hope that this Curious Story is just that,
a curiosity.</div>
<div class="">But in science we should not look for hopes but for
arguments and counter-arguments...</div>
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<div class="">Best wishes to All and exciting times for the New
Year!</div>
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<b class="">Enviado el:</b> miércoles, 04 de enero de
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<div id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10547" class=""><span id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10548" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US" class=""> </span></div>
<div id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10549" class=""><span id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US" class="">Otto E. Rossler, University
of Tübingen, Germany<br class="">
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<div id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10764" class=""><span id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US" class=""><br class="">
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<div id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10763" class=""><span id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US" class="">Maybe I am the only one who
finds it curious. Which fact would then
make it even more curious for me. It goes
like this: Someone says “I can save your
house from a time bomb planted into the
basement” and you respond by saying “I
don’t care.” This curious story is taken
from the Buddhist bible.
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<div id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10551" class=""><span id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10552" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US" class=""> </span></div>
<div id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10553" dir="ltr" class=""><span id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10554" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US" class="">It of course depends on who
is offering to help. It could be a lunatic
person claiming that he alone can save the
planet from a time-bomb about to be
planted into it. In that case, there would
be no reason to worry. On the other hand,
it could also be that you, the manager,
are a bit high at the moment so that you
don't fully appreciate the offer made to
you. How serious is my offer herewith made
to you today?</span></div>
<div id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10555" class=""><span id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10556" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US" class=""> </span></div>
<div id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10557" class=""><span id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10558" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US" class="">I only say that for eight
years' time already, there exists no
counter-proof in the literature to my at
first highly publicized proof of danger. I
was able to demonstrate that the miniature
black holes officially attempted to be
produced at CERN do possess two radically
new properties:
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evaporate </span></li>
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Roman"" class=""></span></span></span><span id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12019" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US" class="">they grow exponentially
inside matter</span><br id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11922" class="">
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<span id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10565" style="font-family:Symbol" lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><span id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10568" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US" class=""></span>
<div id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10569" class=""><span id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10570" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US" class="">If these two findings hold
water, the current attempt at producing
ultra-slow miniature black holes on earth
near the town of Geneva means that the
slower-most specimen will get stuck inside
earth and grow there exponentially to turn
the planet into a 2-cm black hole after
several of undetectable growth. Therefore
the current attempt of CERN's to produce
them near Geneva is a bit curious. </span></div>
<div id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10571" class=""><span id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10572" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US" class=""> </span></div>
<div id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10573" class=""><span id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10574" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US" class="">What is so curious about
CERN's attempt? It is the fact that no one
finds it curious. I am reminded of an old
joke: The professor informs the candidate
about the outcome of the oral exam with
the following words “You are bound to
laugh but you have flunked the test.” I
never understood the punchline. I likewise
cannot understand why a never refuted
proof of the biggest danger of history
leaves everyone unconcerned. Why NOT check
an unattended piece of luggage on the
airport called Earth?
<span id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10575" class=""> </span></span></div>
<div id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10576" class=""><span id="m_-4133926382853165950yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10577" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US" class=""> </span></div>
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curious story ever -- for the very reason
that everyone finds it boring. A
successful counter-proof would thus
alleviate but a single person’s fears –
mine. You, my dear reader, are thus my
last hope that you might be able to
explain the punch line to me: “Why is it
that it does not matter downstairs that
the first floor is ablaze?” I am genuinely
curious to learn why attempting
planetocide is fun. Are you not?<br class="">
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