<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Pedro,<div class="">Ok. Can we have the text of Professor Rossler’s proof that these mini-black holes</div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="" style="direction: ltr; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;"><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 16px;"><div class=""><div class="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><ul dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11919" class=""><li id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11920" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11970" lang="EN-US" class="" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">cannot Hawking evaporate </span></li><li id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11921" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12019" lang="EN-US" class="" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">grow exponentially inside matter?</span></li></ul></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote>It would be very interesting to debate the details.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I find on the web:</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/ottoroesslerminiblackhole.pdf" class="">http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/ottoroesslerminiblackhole.pdf</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://www.science20.com/big_science_gambles/blog/interview_professor_otto_r%C3%B6ssler_takes_lhc-31449" class="">http://www.science20.com/big_science_gambles/blog/interview_professor_otto_rössler_takes_lhc-31449</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/2650665/Legal-bid-to-stop-CERN-atom-smasher-from-destroying-the-world.html" class="">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/2650665/Legal-bid-to-stop-CERN-atom-smasher-from-destroying-the-world.html</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://environmental-impact.web.cern.ch/environmental-impact/Objects/LHCSafety/NicolaiComment-en.pdf" class="">http://environmental-impact.web.cern.ch/environmental-impact/Objects/LHCSafety/NicolaiComment-en.pdf</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best,</div><div class="">Lou Kauffman</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 5, 2017, at 5:06 AM, PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ <<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" class="">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; direction: ltr; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;" class="">Dear FISers,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Herewith the Lecture inaugurating our 2017 sessions.</div><div class="">I really hope that this Curious Story is just that, a curiosity.</div><div class="">But in science we should not look for hopes but for arguments and counter-arguments...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best wishes to All and exciting times for the New Year!</div><div class="">--Pedro</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 16px;" class=""><hr tabindex="-1" class=""><div id="divRpF987497" style="direction: ltr;" class=""><font face="Tahoma" size="2" class=""><b class="">De:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Otto E. Rossler [<a href="mailto:oeross00@yahoo.com" class="">oeross00@yahoo.com</a>]<br class=""><b class="">Enviado el:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>miércoles, 04 de enero de 2017 17:51<br class=""><b class="">Para:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ<br class=""><b class="">Asunto:</b> NY session<br class=""></font></div><div class=""><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=""><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10416" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10274" class="">----------------------</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10335" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10544" class=""><b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10545" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10546" lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 20pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">A Curious Story</span></b></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10547" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10548" lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10549" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550" lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Otto E. Rossler, University of Tübingen, Germany<br class=""></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10764" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550" lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10763" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10550" lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Maybe I am the only one who finds it curious. Which fact would then make it even more curious for me. It goes like this: Someone says “I can save your house from a time bomb planted into the basement” and you respond by saying “I don’t care.” This curious story is taken from the Buddhist bible. </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10551" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10552" lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10553" dir="ltr" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10554" lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">It of course depends on who is offering to help. It could be a lunatic person claiming that he alone can save the planet from a time-bomb about to be planted into it. In that case, there would be no reason to worry. On the other hand, it could also be that you, the manager, are a bit high at the moment so that you don't fully appreciate the offer made to you. How serious is my offer herewith made to you today?</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10555" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10556" lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10557" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10558" lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I only say that for eight years' time already, there exists no counter-proof in the literature to my at first highly publicized proof of danger. I was able to demonstrate that the miniature black holes officially attempted to be produced at CERN do possess two radically new properties:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11913" class=""><br class=""></div><ul dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11919" class=""><li id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11920" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11967" lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Symbol;" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11968" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11969" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""></span></span></span><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11970" lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">they cannot Hawking evaporate<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></li><li id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11921" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12016" lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Symbol;" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12017" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12018" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""></span></span></span><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_12019" lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">they grow exponentially inside matter</span><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_11922" class=""></li></ul><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10565" lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Symbol;" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10566" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10567" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> </span></span></span><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10568" lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""></span><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10569" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10570" lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If these two findings hold water, the current attempt at producing ultra-slow miniature black holes on earth near the town of Geneva means that the slower-most specimen will get stuck inside earth and grow there exponentially to turn the planet into a 2-cm black hole after several of undetectable growth. Therefore the current attempt of CERN's to produce them near Geneva is a bit curious.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10571" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10572" lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10573" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10574" lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">What is so curious about CERN's attempt? It is the fact that no one finds it curious. I am reminded of an old joke: The professor informs the candidate about the outcome of the oral exam with the following words “You are bound to laugh but you have flunked the test.” I never understood the punchline. I likewise cannot understand why a never refuted proof of the biggest danger of history leaves everyone unconcerned. Why NOT check an unattended piece of luggage on the airport called Earth?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10575" class=""> </span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10576" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10577" lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10578" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483543774452_10579" lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">To my mind, this is the most curious story ever -- for the very reason that everyone finds it boring. A successful counter-proof would thus alleviate but a single person’s fears – mine. You, my dear reader, are thus my last hope that you might be able to explain the punch line to me: “Why is it that it does not matter downstairs that the first floor is ablaze?” I am genuinely curious to learn why attempting planetocide is fun. 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