<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">The problem below is with the definition of the word, 'information'. <div>On an abstract level, a measurable quantity of what Shannon </div><div>called digital information has been transmitted. </div><div>Whether the receiver is then 'informed' by it is a question of </div><div>his ability to interpret it, which depends on semantics. </div><div>(I can understand the English emails far easier than the</div><div>occasional Spanish ones - the Shannon information will be </div><div>the same in both, but not what I get out of it. </div><div>I thought this distinction between these had long ago </div><div>been agreed upon in Fis discussions. </div><div>Where do you stand on it Krassimir? </div><div>Best wishes,</div><div>Alex Hankey </div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 December 2016 at 02:53, Krassimir Markov <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:markov@foibg.com" target="_blank">markov@foibg.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Arturo,<br>
Your mobile is NOT able to transmit and utilize INFORMATION but some<br>
signals!!!<br>
As well as the artificial limb walk with its owner but it is not a living<br>
mater.<br>
Firstly, we have to understand what is information!<br>
After that ...<br>
Friendly regards<br>
Krassimir<br>
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Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 8:11 PM<br>
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Subject: [Fis] What is life?<br>
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Dear<br>
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You write: "For living beings, we know that "Life is a tramission and<br>
utilistion of information (not only by ADN, but by all the information<br>
which is used by them, at all scales for survival)".<br>
However, to make an example, also my mobile is able to transmit and<br>
utilize information.<br>
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I found (and I did not look very well, to be honest) at least EIGHT<br>
different definitions of life in literature.<br>
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Therefore, if I ask: "What is life?" I have, apart from yours, other SEVEN<br>
different definitions of life.<br>
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What does it mean? This means that we have no idea at all about what is life.<br>
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It is the same as if I asked: "What is love?": who knows?<br>
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Arturo Tozzi<br>
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AA Professor Physics, University North Texas<br>
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Pediatrician ASL Na2Nord, Italy<br>
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Comput Intell Lab, University Manitoba<br>
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