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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Arturo and FISers<br>
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We will forgive your life! Some other people in this list also
have strong reservations to a single, canonical approach to
information, either from Shannon, Boltzmann, or Fisher
backgrounds. In my case, mostly biologically and socially grounded
("sociotype"), I see a complex panorama of biological information,
mostly "relative" concerning communication with the environment
(via cellular signaling systems), but sort of "objective"
concerning the inner self-production processes (shared DNA and
genetic/translation and many other codes). But both are elegantly
intertwined in the advancement of a life cycle. My hunch is that
this type of relative/objective duality culminating in existential
maintenance has some generality and could be "exported" to physics
too. It is curious that some oriental thinkers (Chu-Hsi or Zhu Xi,
9 Centuries ago) had already advanced sort of similar ideas...
Well, above all, info is "paradoxical" and has kept all of us
amused in this list, at least for the past twenty years! <br>
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Best--Pedro<br>
PS. Let me remind that you have not answered yet my topo-evo
comments in the earliest messages. That point is, I think, very
important in the present discussion.<br>
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El 11/12/2016 a las 16:57, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tozziarturo@libero.it">tozziarturo@libero.it</a> escribió:<br>
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style="font-size:
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EN-US">Dear FISers, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-size:
10.0pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US">I know that some of you are going to kill me, but
there’s something
that I must confess. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-size:
10.0pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US">I notice, from the nice issued raised by Francesco
Rizzo, Joseph
Brenner, John Collier, that the main concerns are always
energetic/informational
arguments and accounts. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-size:
10.0pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US">Indeed, the current tenets state that all is
information, information being a
real quantity that can be measured through informational
entropies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-size:
10.0pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US">But… I ask to myself, is such a tenet true?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-size:
10.0pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US">When I cook the pasta, I realize that, by my point of
view, the cooked
pasta encompasses more information than the not-cooked one,
because it acquires
the role of something that I can eat in order to increase my
possibility to
preserve myself in the hostile environment that wants to
destroy me. However, by the point of view of the bug who
eats the non-cooked pasta, my cooked pasta displays less
information for
sure. Therefore, information is a very
subjective measure that, apart from its relationship with
the observer, does
not mean very much… Who can state that
an event or a fact displays more information than another
one?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-size:
10.0pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US">And, please, do not counteract that information is a
quantifiable,
objective reality, because it can be measured through
informational entropy…
Informational entropy, in its original Shannon’s
formulation, stands for an ergodic
process (page 8 of the original 1948 Shannon’s seminal
paper), i.e.: every sequence
produced by the processes is the same in statistical
properties, or, in other
words, a traveling particle always crosses all the points of
its phase space. However, in physics and biology, the facts
and
events are never ergodic. Statistical
homogeneity is just a fiction, if we evaluate the world
around us and our brain/mind. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-size:
10.0pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US">Therefore, the role of information could not be as
fundamental as
currently believed. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:
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style="font-size:
10.0pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US">P.S.: topology analyzes information by another point
of view, but it’s an issue for
the next time, I think…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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