<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Thanks to Moises for the mention of my paper with Stuart Kauffman. If anyone is interested in reading it one can find it at the following Web site:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.academia.edu/783503/Propagating_organization_an_enquiry" class="">https://www.academia.edu/783503/Propagating_organization_an_enquiry</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here is the abstract:</div><div class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri;" class=""><br class=""></span></b></div><div class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri;" class="">Propagating Organization: An Inquiry.</span><span style="font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span></b></div><div class=""><p class="Body"><span style="mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin" class="">Stuart Kauffman, Robert K. Logan, Robert Este, Randy Goebel, David Hobill and Ilya
Smulevich. </span></p><p class="Body"><span style="mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin" class="">2007. Biology and Philosophy
23: 27-45.</span><span style="font-family:Calibri;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;
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mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin" class="">Abstract <o:p class=""></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.0pt 56.0pt 84.0pt 112.0pt 140.0pt 168.0pt 196.0pt 224.0pt 252.0pt 280.0pt 308.0pt 336.0pt;
mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family: Calibri;" class="">Our aim in
this article is to attempt to discuss propagating organization of process, a
poorly articulated union of matter, energy, work, constraints and that vexed
concept, “information”, which unite in far from equilibrium living physical
systems. Our hope is to stimulate discussions by philosophers of biology and
biologists to further clarify the concepts we discuss here. We place our
discussion in the broad context of a “general biology”, properties that might
well be found in life anywhere in the cosmos, freed from the specific examples
of terrestrial life after 3.8 billion years of evolution. By placing the
discussion in this wider, if still hypothetical, context, we also try to place
in context some of the extant discussion of information as intimately related
to DNA, RNA and protein transcription and translation processes. While
characteristic of current terrestrial life, there are no compelling grounds to
suppose the same mechanisms would be involved in any life form able to evolve
by heritable variation and natural selection. In turn, this allows us to
discuss at least briefly, the focus of much of the philosophy of biology on
population genetics, which, of course, assumes DNA, RNA, proteins, and other
features of terrestrial life. Presumably, evolution by natural selection – and
perhaps self-organization - could occur on many worlds via different causal
mechanisms.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.0pt 56.0pt 84.0pt 112.0pt 140.0pt 168.0pt 196.0pt 224.0pt 252.0pt 280.0pt 308.0pt 336.0pt;
mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family: Calibri;" class="">Here we seek
a non-reductionist explanation for the synthesis, accumulation, and propagation
of information, work, and constraint, which we hope will provide some insight
into both the biotic and abiotic universe, in terms of both molecular self
reproduction and the basic work energy cycle where work is the constrained
release of energy into a few degrees of freedom. The typical requirement for
work itself is to construct those very constraints on the release of energy
that then constitute further work. Information creation, we argue, arises in
two ways: first information as natural selection assembling the very
constraints on the release of energy that then constitutes work and the
propagation of organization. Second, information in a more extended sense is
“semiotic”, that is </span><i style="font-family: Calibri;" class="">about</i><span style="font-family: Calibri;" class=""> the world
or internal state of the organism and requires appropriate response. The idea
is to combine ideas from biology, physics, and computer science, to formulate
explanatory hypotheses on how information can be captured and rendered in the
expected physical manifestation, which can then participate in the propagation
of the organization of process in the expected biological work cycles to create
the diversity in our observable biosphere.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.0pt 56.0pt 84.0pt 112.0pt 140.0pt 168.0pt 196.0pt 224.0pt 252.0pt 280.0pt 308.0pt 336.0pt;
mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family: Calibri;" class="">Our
conclusions, to date, of this enquiry suggest a foundation which views
information as the construction of constraints, which, in their physical
manifestation, partially underlie the processes of evolution to dynamically
determine the fitness of organisms within the context of a biotic universe.</span></p><p class="Body"><span style="mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
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<br class=""><div><div class="">On Jun 8, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Moisés André Nisenbaum <<a href="mailto:moises.nisenbaum@ifrj.edu.br" class="">moises.nisenbaum@ifrj.edu.br</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Hi, John. It is amazing!!</div><div class="">I would like to highlight the word "constraints" at the caption of the DNA diagram (<a href="http://phys.org/news/2016-06-layer-dna.html" class="">http://phys.org/news/2016-06-layer-dna.html</a>)</div><div class="">"The rigid base-pair model is forced, using 28 <b class="">constraints </b>(indicated by red spheres), into a lefthanded superhelical path that mimics the DNA conformation in the nucleosome. Credit: Leiden Institute of Physics"</div><div class="">The same word is used by Bob Logan and Stuart Kauffman to relate mechanical concepts with 'information' (<a href="http://philpapers.org/rec/KAUPOA" class="">http://philpapers.org/rec/KAUPOA</a>)</div><div class="">Could it have any parallel between these two approaches?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also, you usually think "DNA" associated with Biological Sciences, but this research is made at Leiden Institute of <b class="">Physics</b>! Of course, to work current (complex, innovative) science you must have an interdisciplinary approach.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Abraço.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Moisés</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">2016-06-08 16:40 GMT-03:00 John Collier <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:Collierj@ukzn.ac.za" target="_blank" class="">Collierj@ukzn.ac.za</a>></span>:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">A previously hypothesized “second layer” of information in DNA may have been isolated.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://phys.org/news/2016-06-layer-dna.html" target="_blank" class="">http://phys.org/news/2016-06-layer-dna.html</a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">John Collier<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">Professor Emeritus and Senior Research Associate<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">University of KwaZulu-Natal<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""><a href="http://web.ncf.ca/collier" target="_blank" class="">http://web.ncf.ca/collier</a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p>
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