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<big><big><small><small>Dear Alex and FIS colleagues,<br>
<br>
Thanks for your "adventures in knowledge". I found very
interesting the first part of your presentation, about
"experiential information", that critical instabilities may
be used in control/communication instances by biological
systems looks acceptable and partially well-known, as
witnessed by your references and many other authors. I am
not sure whether the other forms of information you mention
(Fisher, Shannon, Quantum) are enough to cover other
instances of information present in the biomolecular
scaffolding of life. One form to see the variety of cases is
through "molecular recognition" categories, another is to
look directly to the different informational architectures
present in the living cell. In both cases "more is
needed"... Also, along my own work in cellular signaling
systems (prokaryotic and eukaryotic), I have got the
impression that we tend to terribly simplify most of the
matters around cellular communication. The advancement of a
life cycle (final goal and continuous reference of
communication processes) is but a convoluted two part drama:
the cell creates the world, and the world creates the cell.
The very different way environmental metals are present in
prokaryotic versus eukaryotic systems provides a curious
story about that. <br>
<br>
In my interpretation, none of the the above cannot be taken
as the immediate basis of awareness or subjectivity. And in
that respect, from a biological point of view, your "new lay
of physics" may look rather gratuitous. Regarding cortical
dynamics and the relationship with language and
consciousness structures, your point is more sustainable, I
think. The whole "experiential" flow image is more vivid and
dynamic than Tononi's structural integrated information we
were discussing days ago in this list. Can it directly be
taken as a model for mind-to-mind communication of
gestalts-ideas? Your cases and arguments are very readable
and quite intriguing, but difficult to enter under the pale
of science. In any case the matter is amazing: in a National
Geographic TV series I have occasionally watched, the main
character "Frank of the Wild" (or so) becomes always
accepted by the most dangerous, poisonous and solitary
animals in the wild, approaching them, touching them,
kissing them, etc. No tricks, just an amazing "hand". <br>
<br>
Coincidentally I was reading today an editorial by one of
those big names: "all of us must invest much more in
out-of-the-box approaches at the very edges of knowledge".
<br>
<br>
All the best--Pedro<br>
<br>
PS. I could not upload the kickoff text in the fis web pages
yet (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://fis.sciforum.net/">http://fis.sciforum.net/</a>). <br>
However, it could be found at: <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://listas.unizar.es/pipermail/fis/attachments/20160423/96146f05/attachment-0001.docx">http://listas.unizar.es/pipermail/fis/attachments/20160423/96146f05/attachment-0001.docx</a></small></small></big></big><br>
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Pedro C. Marijuán
Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud
Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X
50009 Zaragoza, Spain
Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818)
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