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<DIV><FONT lang=0 color=#000000 size=2 face=Verdana FAMILY="SANSSERIF"
PTSIZE="10">Pedro,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>your list of disciplines that information theory needs to ponder is
brilliant--active matter, coupled oscillators, pharmacology, physiology, and
developmental biology.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>to go back to the abiotic universe for a moment:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=0 color=#000000 size=2 face=Verdana FAMILY="SANSSERIF"
PTSIZE="10">here's one implication of the theory of a communicative cosmos i've
been outlining to you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=Calibri><FONT
size=3>The God Problem: How a Godless Cosmos Creates is now out in
paperback.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3>The
God Problem says that we live in a social cosmos,</FONT><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=3> </FONT></SPAN><FONT size=3>a
communicative cosmos, a cosmos in which societies of atoms gossip and whisper to
each other.</FONT><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=3>
t</FONT></SPAN><FONT size=3>here's a critical implication of this
theory of a conversational cosmos for physics.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT size=3
face=Calibri> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=Calibri><FONT
size=3>current quantum physics is dedicated to the notion that a particle can
exist in multiple states as long as it's in isolation, as long as it's not being
observed, as long is it’s not being measured.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3>but because this
universe is profoundly communicative and because communicative forces like
gravity exist in every distant nook and cranny of the cosmos, no particle is
ever completely alone.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT size=3
face=Calibri> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=Calibri><FONT
size=3>other particles or, more important, other societies of particles,
including mega societies like stars and galaxies, are taking a particle's
measure and the particle is taking theirs.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3>everywhere.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT size=3
face=Calibri> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=Calibri><FONT
size=3>so the basic assumption of the Copenhagen school of quantum physics is
wrong.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3>which
means no quantum physics will be real until it takes the social, communicative,
gossipy nature of the cosmos into account, the massively networked aspect of the
cosmos.</FONT><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=3>
</FONT></SPAN><FONT size=3>what does that mean for information
theory?<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT size=3
face=Calibri> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=Calibri><FONT
size=3>among other things, it means we have to delve into the mystery of what
Luis Villareal calls group identity, the mystery of how masses of collaborating
particles put out messages bigger than their individual powers would
predict.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3>we,
like quantum physicists, need to delve into the mystery of emergent
properties.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT size=3
face=Calibri> </FONT></o:p></P>
<DIV><SPAN
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size=3>which is where my book The God Problem: How a Godless Cosmos Creates
comes in.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>with warmth and oomph--howard</DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=0 color=#000000 size=2 face=Verdana FAMILY="SANSSERIF"
PTSIZE="10"> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 2/5/2016 8:33:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es writes:</DIV>
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<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><BIG><BIG><SMALL><SMALL>Dear FISers,<BR><BR>Just a
couple of brief comments to Howard and Jerry.<BR><BR>To Howards: thanks for
the exciting New Year Lecture closure! However, your text below to Otto makes
irresistible for me indulging in a final criticism. It is clear in the text
that the boundaries of force are the very determinants of
information/communication. Forces everywhere. From quark forces to the forces
of history. It is exactly the 20th century dominant physicalism with an
info/comm. aggiornamento. I cannot blame it all, of course, as your historical
analysis is very original, but all the other physicalist conglomerate is not
so useful/interesting. When life romps in this tiny corner of the universe, a
new set of info-dynamics are set into motion, completely different, and
capable of overcoming the boundary conditions of force.
</SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><BIG><BIG><SMALL><SMALL><FONT
face=Verdana></FONT></SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG> </DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><BIG><BIG><SMALL><SMALL><FONT face=Verdana>hb: well
put, Pedro.</FONT></SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><BIG><BIG><SMALL><SMALL><FONT
face=Verdana></FONT></SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG> </DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><BIG><BIG><SMALL><SMALL>The life cycle dominates
and commands the environment: selfproducing, communicating, engaging with
other life cycles, transforming everything,
etc.</SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><BIG><BIG><SMALL><SMALL><FONT
face=Verdana></FONT></SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG> </DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><BIG><BIG><SMALL><SMALL><FONT face=Verdana>hb:
another good point.</FONT></SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><BIG><BIG><SMALL><SMALL><FONT
face=Verdana></FONT></SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG> </DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><BIG><BIG><SMALL><SMALL> This constructive
power goes beyond anything seen in the cosmos. It is an informational
constructivism</SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG><BIG><BIG><SMALL><SMALL>
</SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG><BIG><BIG><BIG><BIG><SMALL><SMALL><SMALL><SMALL>that
does not follow smoothly from the atomistic narrative--there is a big
divide... </SMALL></SMALL></SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG></BIG></BIG></DIV>
<DIV
class=moz-cite-prefix><BIG><BIG><BIG><BIG><SMALL><SMALL><SMALL><SMALL><FONT
face=Verdana></FONT></SMALL></SMALL></SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG></BIG></BIG> </DIV>
<DIV
class=moz-cite-prefix><BIG><BIG><BIG><BIG><SMALL><SMALL><SMALL><SMALL><FONT
face=Verdana>hb: yes,
true.</FONT></SMALL></SMALL></SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG></BIG></BIG></DIV>
<DIV
class=moz-cite-prefix><BIG><BIG><BIG><BIG><SMALL><SMALL><SMALL><SMALL><FONT
face=Verdana></FONT></SMALL></SMALL></SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG></BIG></BIG> </DIV>
<DIV
class=moz-cite-prefix><BIG><BIG><BIG><BIG><SMALL><SMALL><SMALL><SMALL>Historically
it is a similar trend of informational constructivism what leads to overcome
the Luciferine solvent power. See France and Germany: after 300 years of wars,
treaties, armistices, hostilities, etc. finally are efficiently united in a
common European purpose (or look at the endless wars between Spain and the
United Kingdom). Thanks to collective intelligence in action (wisdom, justice,
kindness) a group of enlightened politicians after WWII achieved a great
design, like Founding Fathers in US 18th Century. These grand designs are the
key to overcome so many contemporary Luciferine catastrophes around... But we
would continue arguing for too long, so I stop and thank you again for
the
Lecture!<BR></SMALL></SMALL></SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG></BIG></BIG></DIV><BIG><BIG><BIG><BIG><SMALL><SMALL><SMALL><SMALL><FONT
face=Verdana></FONT></SMALL></SMALL></SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG></BIG></BIG></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px"><FONT
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2
face=Arial><BIG><BIG><BIG><BIG><SMALL><SMALL><SMALL><SMALL><FONT
face=Verdana>hb: the book of mine that shows the creative forces in human
history and their ability to radically upgrade humanity is The Genius of the
Beast: A Radical Re-Vision of Capitalism.</FONT>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT face=Verdana></FONT><FONT
face=Verdana></FONT><FONT face=Verdana></FONT><BR>To Jerry: you are quite
right in the demand for some "scientific meat" around the notion of
communicating, interconnected life cycles. I will try to provide a few
portions:<BR><BR>1. "Active Matter", it is a new scientific field that is
getting more and more fashionable. Basically it consists on computer
simulations and real experimental molecular settings where active molecules
(usually enzyme/proteins) interact with some motive power (ATP,
electrical/magnetic fields, metal beads) and get interconnected in their "work
cycles", with the emergence of amazing collective patterns apparently only
restricted to the biological. This interconnection of "working cycles" is the
genuine precursor to what I was meaning above.<BR><BR>2. Coupled oscillators.
A lot of theoretical and experimental work done around very elementary
oscillators (eg, famous Kuramoto model) applied to chemical, neuronal and
theoretical physics fields. It is also known as "synchronization networks",
very well worked by Winfree, Strogatz, Duncan Watts, etc., about <SPAN
class=mw-redirect>biological clocks, fireflies</SPAN>, <SPAN
class=mw-redirect>crickets</SPAN>, heart cells, and <SPAN
class=mw-redirect>neurons</SPAN>. Very complex theoretical oscillators built
(not far from the cell-cycle style, though realms of complexity below).
<BR><BR>3. Pharmacology: it has been claimed that 80% of the current drugs
produce their effects through the signaling system, by binding to the
receptors, channels, etc. So, they interfere in the communication system of
the cell to modify the life cycle events at a vast scale of whole tissues and
organs. Now we have direct external action on interconnected cell-cycles, with
myriads of models, drug designs, silicon and wet experimental works,
etc.<BR><BR>4. Physiology. There is little doubt that the whole physiology
relates finally to interconnected cellular life cycles. Unfortunately (or
fortunately, who knows) most of physiology was conceived before there was even
a dream or a hunch about cell-to-cell communication via especial
signaling systems... We should ad neuroscience too, but it would be to much
scientific meat for the lunch. <BR><BR>To recap, once life is "on", there is a
certain discourse about informational constructivity (to emphasize: which is
based on the intertwining of self-production and communication via
interconnected life cycles) that can reach quite high in order to better
understand the info dynamics of those rare entities based in the informational
way of existence... I think Howard's lecture has put us in front of very
intriguing possibilities of social information science
explanation.<BR><BR>Best regards<BR>--Pedro
<BR></SMALL></SMALL></SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG><BR><BR>
</BIG></BIG>the force cosmovision El 03/02/2016 a las 7:10, <A
title=mailto:HowlBloom@aol.com class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:HowlBloom@aol.com">HowlBloom@aol.com</A> escribió:<BR></DIV>
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dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Otto, an interesting call, for a theory
that brings together the brute force of an abiotic universe and
information.</FONT></P>
<P
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dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Here's a short timeline that pulls
the brute force elements together as informational exchange:</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"
align=center><FONT size=2><FONT
face=Verdana> The evolution
of information, sociality, social structure, and the emergent properties of
societies<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing
style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"
align=center><FONT size=2><FONT face=Verdana>(all dates ABB, After the Big
Bang)<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><O:P><FONT size=2
face=Verdana> </FONT></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><FONT
face=Verdana><FONT size=2>10(-31) ABB<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2>primitive communication between quarks via the
strong force.</FONT><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2>
</FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>The first informational language: </FONT><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT size=2>attraction and
repulsion</FONT></B><FONT size=2>.<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><FONT
face=Verdana><FONT size=2>10(-31) ABB the first social groups, threesomes of
quarks, produce two shocking <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">emergent properties</B></FONT><FONT
size=2>—protons and neutrons<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><FONT
face=Verdana><FONT size=2>10,000 ABB massive social <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">dance</B></FONT><FONT size=2>s,
pressure waves, ring the cosmos like a gong.</FONT><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2> </FONT></SPAN><FONT
size=2>With, yes, </FONT><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT
size=2>music</FONT></B><FONT size=2>.</FONT><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2> </FONT></SPAN><FONT
size=2>What communicative force organizes trillions of trillions of
particles into pressure waves—into rhythmically coming together in
aggregations that span the universe?</FONT><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2> </FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>Do
information exchange and communication choreograph pressure waves in which
masses of particles rhythmically separate just a tiny bit, then come
together again?<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><FONT
face=Verdana><FONT size=2>380,000 ABB<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2>emerging from a plasma, slowing down, and giving
each other a bit of breathing room, elementary particles use the
electromagnetic force to communicate.</FONT><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2> </FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>And
they discover something odd.</FONT><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>Tiny particles have an inanimate
longing.</FONT><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2>
</FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>And their inanimate longing precisely fits the
inanimate longing of particles 1,800 times their size.</FONT><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2> </FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>The
tiny particles join with the hulking monsters.</FONT><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2> </FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>The
result?</FONT><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2>
</FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>Another emergent property, another supersized
surprise: </FONT><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT
size=2>atoms</FONT></B><FONT size=2>.</FONT><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2> </FONT></SPAN><FONT
size=2>Hydrogen, helium, and lithium, properties wildly unpredictable from
just the properties of an electron and a proton. Properties that
emerge from a communicative exchange. An informational exchange
between protons and electrons.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><FONT
face=Verdana><FONT size=2>380,000 ABB the atom reveals a basic of cosmic
structure—<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">hierarchy</B></FONT><FONT
size=2>.</FONT><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2>
</FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>Protons dominate.</FONT><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2> </FONT></SPAN><FONT
size=2>They determine where the team goes.</FONT><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2> <SPAN
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style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Electrons subjugate themselves.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They meekly go along.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They subordinate.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They humbly circle the proton
nucleus.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><FONT
face=Verdana><FONT size=2>380,000 ABB atoms communicate via <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">gravity</B></FONT><FONT
size=2>.<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNoSpacing
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><FONT
face=Verdana><FONT size=2>400,000 ABB more communication via gravity, but
mass communication.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2>The</FONT><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>result? </FONT><FONT size=2><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Competition</B></FONT><FONT size=2>.
</FONT><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>The era of the great gravity
crusades.</FONT><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2>
</FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>Wisps, plumes, and clots of atoms have
showdowns, faceoffs in which the bigger swallows the smaller
whole.</FONT><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2>
</FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>Then the winner goes off to another showdown,
another competitive confrontation.</FONT><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2> </FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>In
which it either eats or is eaten.</FONT><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2> </FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>The
result of these showdowns between gravity balls?</FONT><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2> </FONT></SPAN><FONT
size=2>Galaxies, stars, planets, and moons.</FONT><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2> </FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>A
galaxy is, guess what, a social swirl organized in a hierarchy—black holes
at the center, stars circling the black holes, planets circling the stars,
and moons circling the planets.</FONT><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>All via communication and
information.</FONT><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=2>
</FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>All via receivers interpreting the messages of
senders and acting on them.</FONT></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
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dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>one bottom line: communication,
information, music, competition, and hierarchy are not the products of
post-agricultural, post industrial, or post capitalist societies. they
are at work even in dead stuff. even pre-living
nature.</FONT></P>
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dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>hope that helps.</FONT></P>
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dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>thanks again for letting me parade such
strange ideas in such august company.</FONT></P>
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dir=ltr>Dear all,<BR>Just a quick reply to Howard's fascinating account of
cosmic history.</P>
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dir=ltr>It seems what is crucially needed is a theory that brings together
"brute force" on the one hand - laws of nature "blindly" colliding and
colluding, from quarks to planets - and "information" on the other - from
pre-human codes (perhaps including quantum computation) and communication to
advanced human and cybernetic networks.</P>
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dir=ltr>The former seems to be able to do away with everything except a few
simple rules of operation (gravity, natural selection, will-to-power),
everything more complex being the unfolding of the interaction between these
few simple rules (eternal or emergent is beside the point here). The latter
seems to depend upon subjective interpretation, the retention of systems
memory, symbolic coding-decoding, and other processes that compose only a
subset of the (creatures and processes) of the universe. Never the twain
shall meet.</P>
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dir=ltr>Or perhaps brute force can be analyzed as equivalent to information?
Or vice versa? Or as two sides of the same coin?</P>
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dir=ltr>Best,<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>Otto
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