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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><big><big><small><small>Dear FISers,<br>
<br>
Just a couple of brief comments to Howard and Jerry.<br>
<br>
To Howards: thanks for the exciting New Year Lecture
closure! However, your text below to Otto makes
irresistible for me indulging in a final criticism. It is
clear in the text that the boundaries of force are the
very determinants of information/communication. Forces
everywhere. From quark forces to the forces of history. It
is exactly the 20th century dominant physicalism with an
info/comm. aggiornamento. I cannot blame it all, of
course, as your historical analysis is very original, but
all the other physicalist conglomerate is not so
useful/interesting. When life romps in this tiny corner of
the universe, a new set of info-dynamics are set into
motion, completely different, and capable of overcoming
the boundary conditions of force. The life cycle dominates
and commands the environment: selfproducing,
communicating, engaging with other life cycles,
transforming everything, etc. This constructive power goes
beyond anything seen in the cosmos. It is an informational
constructivism</small></small></big></big><big><big><small><small>
</small></small></big></big><big><big><big><big><small><small><small><small>that
does not follow smoothly from the atomistic
narrative--there is a big divide... Historically
it is a similar trend of informational
constructivism what leads to overcome the
Luciferine solvent power. See France and Germany:
after 300 years of wars, treaties, armistices,
hostilities, etc. finally are efficiently united
in a common European purpose (or look at the
endless wars between Spain and the United
Kingdom). Thanks to collective intelligence in
action (wisdom, justice, kindness) a group of
enlightened politicians after WWII achieved a
great design, like Founding Fathers in US 18th
Century. These grand designs are the key to
overcome so many contemporary Luciferine
catastrophes around... But we would continue
arguing for too long, so I stop and thank you
again for the Lecture!<br>
<br>
To Jerry: you are quite right in the demand for
some "scientific meat" around the notion of
communicating, interconnected life cycles. I will
try to provide a few portions:<br>
<br>
1. "Active Matter", it is a new scientific field
that is getting more and more fashionable.
Basically it consists on computer simulations and
real experimental molecular settings where active
molecules (usually enzyme/proteins) interact with
some motive power (ATP, electrical/magnetic
fields, metal beads) and get interconnected in
their "work cycles", with the emergence of amazing
collective patterns apparently only restricted to
the biological. This interconnection of "working
cycles" is the genuine precursor to what I was
meaning above.<br>
<br>
2. Coupled oscillators. A lot of theoretical and
experimental work done around very elementary
oscillators (eg, famous Kuramoto model) applied to
chemical, neuronal and theoretical physics fields.
It is also known as "synchronization networks",
very well worked by Winfree, Strogatz, Duncan
Watts, etc., about <span class="mw-redirect">biological
clocks, fireflies</span>, <span
class="mw-redirect">crickets</span>, heart
cells, and <span class="mw-redirect">neurons</span>.
Very complex theoretical oscillators built (not
far from the cell-cycle style, though realms of
complexity below). <br>
<br>
3. Pharmacology: it has been claimed that 80% of
the current drugs produce their effects through
the signaling system, by binding to the receptors,
channels, etc. So, they interfere in the
communication system of the cell to modify the
life cycle events at a vast scale of whole tissues
and organs. Now we have direct external action on
interconnected cell-cycles, with myriads of
models, drug designs, silicon and wet experimental
works, etc.<br>
<br>
4. Physiology. There is little doubt that the
whole physiology relates finally to interconnected
cellular life cycles. Unfortunately (or
fortunately, who knows) most of physiology was
conceived before there was even a dream or a hunch
about cell-to-cell communication via especial
signaling systems... We should ad neuroscience
too, but it would be to much scientific meat for
the lunch. <br>
<br>
To recap, once life is "on", there is a certain
discourse about informational constructivity (to
emphasize: which is based on the intertwining of
self-production and communication via
interconnected life cycles) that can reach quite
high in order to better understand the info
dynamics of those rare entities based in the
informational way of existence... I think Howard's
lecture has put us in front of very intriguing
possibilities of social information science
explanation.<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
--Pedro <br>
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</big></big>the force cosmovision El 03/02/2016 a las
7:10, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:HowlBloom@aol.com">HowlBloom@aol.com</a> escribió:<br>
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face="Verdana">Otto, an interesting call, for a theory
that brings together the brute force of an abiotic
universe and information.</font></p>
<p style="WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px;
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face="Verdana">Here's a short timeline that pulls the
brute force elements together as informational exchange:</font></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in;
TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in" align="center"><font size="2"><font
face="Verdana"> The evolution of information,
sociality, social structure, and the emergent properties
of societies<o:p></o:p></font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0in
0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in" align="center"><font
size="2"><font face="Verdana">(all dates ABB, After the
Big Bang)<o:p></o:p></font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in;
TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><o:p><font size="2" face="Verdana"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in;
TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><font face="Verdana"><font size="2">10(-31)
ABB<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></font><font
size="2">primitive communication between quarks via the
strong force.</font><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font
size="2"> </font></span><font size="2">The first
informational language: </font><b
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><font size="2">attraction
and repulsion</font></b><font size="2">.<o:p></o:p></font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in;
TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><font face="Verdana"><font size="2">10(-31)
ABB the first social groups, threesomes of quarks,
produce two shocking <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal">emergent properties</b></font><font size="2">—protons
and neutrons<o:p></o:p></font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in;
TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><font face="Verdana"><font size="2">10,000
ABB massive social <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal">dance</b></font><font size="2">s, pressure
waves, ring the cosmos like a gong.</font><span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font size="2"> </font></span><font
size="2">With, yes, </font><b
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><font size="2">music</font></b><font
size="2">.</font><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font
size="2"> </font></span><font size="2">What
communicative force organizes trillions of trillions of
particles into pressure waves—into rhythmically coming
together in aggregations that span the universe?</font><span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font size="2"> </font></span><font
size="2">Do information exchange and communication
choreograph pressure waves in which masses of particles
rhythmically separate just a tiny bit, then come
together again?<o:p></o:p></font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in;
TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><font face="Verdana"><font size="2">380,000
ABB<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></font><font
size="2">emerging from a plasma, slowing down, and
giving each other a bit of breathing room, elementary
particles use the electromagnetic force to communicate.</font><span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font size="2"> </font></span><font
size="2">And they discover something odd.</font><span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font size="2"> </font></span><font
size="2">Tiny particles have an inanimate longing.</font><span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font size="2"> </font></span><font
size="2">And their inanimate longing precisely fits the
inanimate longing of particles 1,800 times their size.</font><span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font size="2"> </font></span><font
size="2">The tiny particles join with the hulking
monsters.</font><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font
size="2"> </font></span><font size="2">The result?</font><span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font size="2"> </font></span><font
size="2">Another emergent property, another supersized
surprise: </font><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal"><font size="2">atoms</font></b><font size="2">.</font><span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font size="2"> </font></span><font
size="2">Hydrogen, helium, and lithium, properties
wildly unpredictable from just the properties of an
electron and a proton. Properties that emerge from a
communicative exchange. An informational exchange
between protons and electrons.</font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in;
TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><font face="Verdana"><font size="2">380,000
ABB the atom reveals a basic of cosmic structure—<b
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">hierarchy</b></font><font
size="2">.</font><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font
size="2"> </font></span><font size="2">Protons
dominate.</font><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font
size="2"> </font></span><font size="2">They
determine where the team goes.</font><span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font size="2"> <span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;
mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>Electrons subjugate themselves.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>They meekly go
along.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>They
subordinate.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>They
humbly circle the proton nucleus.</span></font></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in;
TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><font face="Verdana"><font size="2">380,000
ABB atoms communicate via <b
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">gravity</b></font><font
size="2">.<o:p></o:p></font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in;
TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><font face="Verdana"><font size="2">400,000
ABB more communication via gravity, but mass
communication.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></font><font
size="2">The</font><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font
size="2"> </font></span><font size="2">result? </font><font
size="2"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><b
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Competition</b></font><font
size="2">. </font><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font
size="2"> </font></span><font size="2">The era of the
great gravity crusades.</font><span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"><font size="2"> </font></span><font size="2">Wisps,
plumes, and clots of atoms have showdowns, faceoffs in
which the bigger swallows the smaller whole.</font><span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font size="2"> </font></span><font
size="2">Then the winner goes off to another showdown,
another competitive confrontation.</font><span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font size="2"> </font></span><font
size="2">In which it either eats or is eaten.</font><span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font size="2"> </font></span><font
size="2">The result of these showdowns between gravity
balls?</font><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font
size="2"> </font></span><font size="2">Galaxies,
stars, planets, and moons.</font><span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font size="2"> </font></span><font
size="2">A galaxy is, guess what, a social swirl
organized in a hierarchy—black holes at the center,
stars circling the black holes, planets circling the
stars, and moons circling the planets.</font><span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font size="2"> </font></span><font
size="2">All via communication and information.</font><span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"><font size="2"> </font></span><font
size="2">All via receivers interpreting the messages of
senders and acting on them.</font></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Verdana">one bottom line: communication,
information, music, competition, and hierarchy are not the
products of post-agricultural, post industrial, or post
capitalist societies. they are at work even in dead
stuff. even pre-living nature.</font></p>
<p style="WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px;
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face="Verdana">hope that helps.</font></p>
<p style="WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px;
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px" dir="ltr"><font size="2"
face="Verdana">thanks again for letting me parade such
strange ideas in such august company.</font></p>
<p style="WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px;
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px" dir="ltr">Dear all,<br>
Just a quick reply to Howard's fascinating account of cosmic
history.</p>
<p style="WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px;
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px" dir="ltr">It seems what is
crucially needed is a theory that brings together "brute
force" on the one hand - laws of nature "blindly" colliding
and colluding, from quarks to planets - and "information" on
the other - from pre-human codes (perhaps including quantum
computation) and communication to advanced human and
cybernetic networks.</p>
<p style="WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px;
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sans-serif; WIDOWS: 1; LETTER-SPACING: normal;
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px" dir="ltr">The former seems
to be able to do away with everything except a few simple
rules of operation (gravity, natural selection,
will-to-power), everything more complex being the unfolding
of the interaction between these few simple rules (eternal
or emergent is beside the point here). The latter seems to
depend upon subjective interpretation, the retention of
systems memory, symbolic coding-decoding, and other
processes that compose only a subset of the (creatures and
processes) of the universe. Never the twain shall meet.</p>
<p style="WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px;
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sans-serif; WIDOWS: 1; LETTER-SPACING: normal;
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px" dir="ltr">Or perhaps brute
force can be analyzed as equivalent to information? Or vice
versa? Or as two sides of the same coin?</p>
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px" dir="ltr">Best,<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
Otto Lehto,<br>
Tampere, Finland</p>
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