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<DIV>re: quarks</DIV>
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<DIV>the big question for FIS is this: do quarks communicate? and can
their communications be called informational?</DIV>
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<DIV>are quarks more than just the first bits of matter in the cosmos? are
they also the first socializers? the first
team-makers?</DIV>
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<DIV>with oomph--howard</DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=0 size=2 face="Century Gothic" FAMILY="SANSSERIF"
PTSIZE="10">____________<BR>Howard Bloom<BR>Author of: <I>The Lucifer Principle:
A Scientific Expedition Into the Forces of History</I> ("mesmerizing"-<I>The
Washington Post</I>),<BR><I>Global Brain: The Evolution of Mass Mind From The
Big Bang to the 21st Century</I> ("reassuring and sobering"-<I>The New
Yorker)</I>,<BR><I>The Genius of the Beast: A Radical Re-Vision of
Capitalism</I> ("A tremendously enjoyable book." James Fallows, National
Correspondent, <I>The Atlantic</I>),<BR><I>The God Problem: How A Godless Cosmos
Creates</I> ("Bloom's argument will rock your world." Barbara
Ehrenreich),<BR><I>How I Accidentally Started the Sixties</I> ("Wow! Whew!
Wild!<BR>Wonderful!" Timothy Leary), and<BR><I>The Mohammed Code</I> ("A
terrifying book…the best book I've read on Islam." David Swindle,<I> PJ
Media</I>).<BR>www.howardbloom.net<BR>Former Core Faculty Member, The Graduate
Institute; Former Visiting Scholar-Graduate Psychology Department, New York
University.<BR>Founder: International Paleopsychology Project; Founder, Space
Development Steering Committee; Founder: The Group Selection Squad; Founding
Board Member: Epic of Evolution Society; Founding Board Member, The Darwin
Project; Founder: The Big Bang Tango Media Lab; member: New York Academy of
Sciences, American Association for the Advancement of Science, American
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Philosophy; Board member and member of Board of Governors, National Space
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<DIV>In a message dated 1/16/2016 11:48:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
logan@physics.utoronto.ca writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px"><FONT
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>Stan et
al - you honour me by asking the question. We know that matter (and here I do
not include dark matter or dark energy) is made up of a small number of quarks
and gluons. As we go higher and higher energy we will continue to create these
"freaks of nature" freaks in the sense that we create the conditions for them
to come into existence using our high energy colliders. I am sure they
sometimes occur naturally in stars from time to time but they do not have any
long term effects - they are a passing fancy, a novelty, and an amusing one at
that. Perhaps they will help us understand the quark gluon interaction. The
analogy I see with the transition from prokaryotes to eukaryotes that I sent
to Malcolm was my indulging in scientific based poetry. BTW I teach an
undergrad course since 1971 called the Poetry of Physics (also the title of a
book available on Amazon) to teach physics to humanities students without
using math to promote science literacy among humanists.
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<DIV>Another analogy that came to mind was that of proliferation of nucleic
acids made up of the same 4 elements: C, G, A, and T. They are the
quarks of biology and their chemical bonds the gluons. </DIV>
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<DIV>Metaphorically your - Bob Logan
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<DIV>On 2016-01-16, at 10:33 AM, Stanley N Salthe wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV dir=ltr>One way to complicate anything is to smash it into bits.
I wonder, Bob, if you would comment on this point as a former particle
physicist!
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<DIV>STAN</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 11:13 PM, Malcolm Dean <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A title=mailto:malcolmdean@gmail.com
href="mailto:malcolmdean@gmail.com"
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<DIV class=gmail_default style="FONT-SIZE: small">Yes. I don't know enough
about Biology, but I noticed the 3+2 business some time ago. I'm
automatically suspicious of theories which are "vexingly complex" (QCD)
and only "beautiful" (String Theory) to a few people with certain math
backgrounds. But the Two and the Three have been important to humans for
thousands of years. I think Nature is actually very simple, but we get
overwhelmed and confused by its enormous scales and by our attempts to
manage observation by (necessarily) creating over-simplified
Objects.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><B>Malcolm
Dean</B></FONT><BR><I>Member</I>, <A
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Affiliate</I>, <A
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href="http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ZopY3eQAAAAJ&hl=en"
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Bob Logan <SPAN
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<DIV style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">eukaryote came about by two
prokaryotes joining together and 5 quark combo can be thought of as a
nucleon (3 quarks) and a meson(2quarks) combining and the 4 quqrk state
as 2 mesons combining. By this logic perhaps there will be 6 quark
beast if 2 nucleons
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Jan 15, 2016 5:31 AM, "Bob Logan" <<A
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<DIV style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">Hi Malcolm - thanks for this
article that supports my notion that my former field of particle
physics is becoming like biology. The 4 and 5 quark combos represent
an analogy of the transition in biology from prokaryotes to
eukaryotes. :-) - Bob<BR>
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<DIV style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">On 2016-01-14, at 7:39 PM,
Malcolm Dean wrote:</DIV></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_default><A
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<DIV class=gmail_default>Science 351(6270):217-219, 15 January
2016; DOI: 10.1126/science.351.6270.217</DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_default><B>The social life of quarks</B></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_default>Adrian Cho</DIV>
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<DIV>Particle physicists at Europe's CERN laboratory in
Switzerland say they have observed bizarre new cousins of the
protons and neutrons that make up the atomic nucleus. Protons and
neutrons consist of other particles called quarks, bound by the
strong nuclear force. By smashing particles at high energies,
physicists have blasted into fleeting existence hundreds of other
quark-containing particles. Until recently, all contained either
two or three quarks. But since 2014, researchers working with
CERN's Large Hadron Collider have also spotted four- and
five-quark particles. Such tetraquarks and pentaquarks could
require physicists to rethink their understanding of quantum
chromodynamics, or they could have less revolutionary
implications. Researchers hope that computer simulations and more
collider studies will reveal how the oddball newcomers are put
together, but some wonder whether experiments will ever provide a
definitive answer.<BR></DIV></DIV>
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