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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear Stan, Pedro <EM>et al.</EM>,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think it is correct and useful of Stan to force
((;-)) us to keep in mind questions of being and of our Being to which, today,
we can bring an informational perspective. I would just also like
to recall that information can be and is added in processes which evolve
counter to the 2nd Law, that is, result in the emergence of more complex or
higher-level entities or systems. The paradigm principle is, as I have said
before, the Pauli Exclusion Principle for fermions (electrons) which enables
complex systems to form using the residual uncompensated charge on their
lower-level components.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I particularly liked Stan's idea that change may be
<EM>sought</EM> by Being, which reminds one of the wonderful aphorism of Blake:
"Eternity is in love with the productions of time". </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The other half of the phrase is that change may be
<EM>forced</EM> upon Being, but this begs the question of by what or by whom?
Placing 'forced' in opposition to 'spontaneous' is a restatement of the problem
of determinism and indeterminism. At our macro- (or meso-) level, I personally
hold that nothing, that is, no informational change is completely
spontaneous although it may have that appearance.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is not necessary to debate this point
here or perhaps anywhere! What is important is that talking of such
questions in informational terms insures a proper scientific or if you
prefer metascientific attitude toward change in its duality and complexity. This
is what I understand as part of the FIS.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joseph</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=ssalthe@binghamton.edu href="mailto:ssalthe@binghamton.edu">Stanley N
Salthe</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 10, 2016 10:08 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Fis] Force in the information worldview</DIV></DIV>
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<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Pedro -- Regarding:</P>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">P: But a previous question may be in order: is
"force" the most cogent term to rationalize the upheavals of human history? Is
"force" an interesting element at all for advancing the informational
worldview? </P>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">S: There is Being and there is Change. Material
Being changes but not completely except when, or as, it disappears. Changes can
be viewed as informational. Some change is forced, some is spontaneous, but all
is mediated by the information that is embodying Being. Change is inherent in
Being-in-this-world because of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The cause of
change can be viewed as added information. Change may be sought by, or forced
upon, Being.<BR></P>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">So, force could be an interesting element regarding
informational changes. <BR></P>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">STAN</P>
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