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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear Pedro,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree with your presentation here of the dynamics
of informational entities and the necessary dominance of the informational
realm. But my reaction to your placing the energetic and informational realm
in a kind of opposition was a Capurrian 'hm'. What is still and will
be always needed is a proper description of the relation between the two.
The principles of Logic in Reality may provide that relation without being
'thermodynamic inflation', and I believe more attention should be paid to the
relation than any disjunction. We have had too much of
<EM>those</EM>.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regarding social complexity, the long-term trend is
probably irreversible. Short-term, in spite of the 'inventions', processes of
regression and reduction are now flourishing world-wide. Fukuyama is one of
people I personally trust least to say what's wrong here.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gloomily,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joseph</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es
href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">Pedro C. Marijuan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=fis@listas.unizar.es
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">'fis'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 11, 2015 1:36
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fis] Sustainability through
multilevel research:</DIV>
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size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>Dear FISers,<BR><BR>I
agree with Loet's views (for once! <SPAN class=moz-smiley-s1><SPAN>:-)
</SPAN></SPAN>). The energy flow supporting the biosphere and society as
a whole have not much explanatory power regarding the bonding complexity of
contemporary societies. Of course, it is an interesting exercise, particularly
concerning the limits of sustainability, but we have had so much thermodynamic
inflation that it is very difficult adding anything relevant. Irrespective of
its sophistication, the energetic realm can hardly substitute for the
informational realm. <BR>About the intriguing interrelationship between
kinship and nonkinship modalities of human bonding, a very interesting view
was drafted by Francis Fukuyama (1995), centered on "trust". He was
distinguishing between "familial" centered societies and "high trust"
societies. In European terms (exaggerating), it is the dichotomy between the
Mediterranean societal culture and the Anglosaxon culture. It is not a black
and white narrative, as each polarity has advantages and disadvantages (think
on wine & Mediterranean food!), and actually today each country and each
culture has some terrible mix of everything, but it is interesting just to see
how the two kinds of bonding may interact within a complex society. I
also penned a few ideas about the matter in my recent "How the Living is in
the world"<SMALL><SMALL> </SMALL></SMALL><BIG><BIG><SMALL><SMALL>(DOI
information: 10.1016/j.pbiomolbio.2015.07.002.) I am copying below a paragraph
(maybe a little bit long--excuses). </SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG><I><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><BIG><BR><BR>This coarse reflection on the
dynamics of successive “informational entities” helps us make sense of
fundamentals of social evolution. The transition to a new social order, more
or less ‘revolutionary’, tends to be produced by new information channels and
communication practices that support the emergence of new ways to organize the
structures of social self-production. Thus, the development of social
complexity appears as irreversibly linked to a chain of historical inventions
for communication and knowledge generation: numbers, writing, alphabet,
codices, universities, printing press, books, steam engines, means of
communication, computers, Internet, etc. (Stonier, 1990; Hobart and Schiffman,
1998). This succession of fundamental inventions has dramatically altered the
“infostructure” of modern societies, and subsequently the informational
formula for being in the world has been applied with multiple variants along
that complexity runaway: with plenty of room generated by the new information
tools, not at the bottom but at the supra-individual top. We should not forget
that the momentous Scientific Revolution was preceded by what has been called
the silent “corporate revolution” (Huff, 2011), which opened the way for
collective organizations legally autonomous in European cities during XIII and
XIV centuries: universities, parliaments, counsels, municipalities,
professional colleges, guilds, mercantile associations, charities, schools,
etc. It was this Medieval awakening in the cities of Western Europe what made
possible the later hyperinflation of autonomous collective organizations,
–“information based”– growing exponentially and propelling all the further
complexity of modern societies.</BIG><O:P></O:P></SPAN></I>
<BIG><BIG><BR><SMALL><SMALL><BR>All the
best--Pedro</SMALL></SMALL><BR></BIG><BR>Loet Leydesdorff wrote:</BIG>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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colleagues, <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(68,84,106); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(68,84,106); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I don’t
consider it as fruitful to recycle the argument that society were to be
modeled as a meta-biology. The biological explanation can perhaps explain
behavior of individuals and institutions; but social coordination more
generally involves also the dynamics of expectations. These are much more
abstract although conditioned by the historical layer. For example, one
cannot expect to explain the <I>trias politica</I> or the rule of law
biologically. These cultural constructs regulate our behavior from above,
whereas the biological supports existence and living from below. The
historical follows the axis of time, whereas the codification (albeit
historical in the instantiations) also restructures and potentially
intervenes and reorganizes social relations from the perspective of
hindsight.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(68,84,106); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(68,84,106); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">In
analogy to codifications such as the juridical ones, scientific knowledge
provides the code for technological intervention. This type of knowledge is
human-specific; perhaps, we are also able to build machines that mimick it.
This technological evolution is going on for centuries. If I look up from my
screen, I look into the gardens which have a typical Dutch polder
vegetation. The polder was made in the 17<SUP>th</SUP> century and replaced
the natural ecology of marsh land and lakes. The order of the explanation
was thus inverted: the constructed structures (instead of the constructing
agencies) increasingly carry the system. The constructs don’t have to be
material; see my example of the rule of law. It is not a religion, but a
dynamics of expectations. Replacing it with a biology misses the
point.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: rgb(68,84,106); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(68,84,106); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Best,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(68,84,106); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Loet<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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Leydesdorff </SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Professor,
University of Amsterdam<BR>Amsterdam School of Communication Research
(ASCoR)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(68,84,106); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A
title=mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net href="mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">loet@leydesdorff.net </SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">;
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(68,84,106); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A
title=http://www.leydesdorff.net/ href="http://www.leydesdorff.net/"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">http://www.leydesdorff.net/</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">
<BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Honorary
Professor, </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(68,84,106); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A
href="http://www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">SPRU,
</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">University
of Sussex; <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Guest
Professor </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(68,84,106); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A
href="http://www.zju.edu.cn/english/"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Zhejiang
Univ.</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">,
Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(68,84,106); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A
href="http://www.istic.ac.cn/Eng/brief_en.html"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">ISTIC, </SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Beijing;<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Visiting
Professor, </SPAN><A name=_GoBack></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(68,84,106); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A
href="http://www.bbk.ac.uk/"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Birkbeck</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">,
University of London; <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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href="http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYAAAAJ&hl=en"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYAAAAJ&hl=en</SPAN></A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> Fis [<A
class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es">mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Nikhil Joshi<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 11, 2015
9:47 AM<BR><B>To:</B> FIS Group<BR><B>Cc:</B> Nikhil
Joshi<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel
research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon -
1<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">Dear Guy and FIS
colleagues,</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">Thank you for your comments and the copy of your
article. Your views on the roots of biological systems and their evolution
in dissipate systems are very interesting. Your paper reminds me of a paper
by Virgo and Froese on how simple dissipative structures can demonstrate
many of the characteristics associated with living systems, and the work of
Jeremy England at MIT.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">Given your research focus and expertise in looking
at living systems as dissipative systems, I would appreciate your views
and assistance in understanding the energetics involved in the common
multilevel organisational pattern (CMOP) (presented in the paper II of the
kick-off mail).</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">At first
glance, i<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">t
appears that different levels in self-organization in living
systems a core dynamic in living systems is comprised of a cycle
between a class of more-stable species (coupled-composite species) and a
class of less-stable species (decoupled-composite species), see paper II in
the kick-off mail.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">hence:</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">Level 1: Molecular self-organization, involves a
cycle between oxidised molecules (more stable) and reduced molecules
(less stable) in molecular self-organization in
photosynthesis and cellular metabolism [Morowitz and
smith]. </SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">Level 2: Cellular self-orgnaization, involves a
cycle between autotrophic species (more stable) and heterotrophic species
(less stable) in ecosystems [Stability of species types as defined
by- Yodzis and Innes Yodzis, P.; Innes, S. Body Size and
Consumer-Resource Dynamics. <I>Am. Nat.</I> 1992, <I>139</I>,
1151].</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">Level 3: Social self-self-organization,
involves a cycle between kinship-based social groups (more stable) and
non-kinship-based social groups (less stable) [Stability of species types as
suggested in Paper II, based on an extension of work of Robin Dunbar and
others]. </SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">At level 1 (molecular self-organiztion)- solar
energy is stored in the high-energy reduced molecules. Do you see
a possibility that living systems could store energy in cycles
involving less stable species at the two other levels (level 2, and 3) as
well? (When I speak of stored energy, I am referring to stored-energy
as introduced by Mclare, and discussed by Ulanowicz and Ho [Sustainable
Systems as Organisms?, </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times','serif'">BioSystems 82 (2005)
39–51]</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">. </SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">These are early thoughts and your views are much
appreciated. </SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">Many Thanks,</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">Warm regards,</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">Nikhil Joshi</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">On 01-Dec-2015, at 10:27 pm,
Guy A Hoelzer <<A href="mailto:hoelzer@unr.edu">hoelzer@unr.edu</A>>
wrote:<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">Hi All,<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">I have been following this
thread with interest as much as time permits. I think multilevel
approaches to understanding information flow is an important one. I
also think the structure of natural systems exhibits both hierarchical and
heterarchical features. The hierarchies we formally recognize can be
extremely useful, but they are rarely exclusive of alternatives.
Here is a link to a paper Mark Tessera and I published a couple of
years ago arguing for one particular hierarchy of multilevel emergence in
physical systems connecting lower level physical systems to biological
systems:<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">Tessara, M., and G. A.
Hoelzer. 2013. On the thermodynamics of multilevel
evolution. Biosystems 113: 140–143.<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">Regards,<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">Guy<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><O:P></O:P></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">Guy Hoelzer,
Associate Professor<BR>Department of Biology<BR>University of Nevada
Reno<BR><BR>Phone: 775-784-4860<BR>Fax: 775-784-1302<BR><A
href="mailto:hoelzer@unr.edu">hoelzer@unr.edu</A> <O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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Pedro C. Marijuán
Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud
Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X
50009 Zaragoza, Spain
Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818)
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