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<big><big><small><small>Dear Nikhil and FIS Colleagues,<br>
<br>
Thanks for the thought-provoking opening. Actually even a superficial
reading of all the stuff you have recommended us becomes quite a bit of
hard work--but it pays. For my taste, the paper on "Part Three"
contains the most essential new thinking. Perhaps the excessive
reliance on systems-systems parlance is not convenient, both from a
rhetorical and a conceptual point of view. It gives the impression of a
reductionist Procrustean Bed where all the (endless!) stuff not
amenable to the ongoing treatment becomes eliminated or treated as
nonexistent. But it is a matter, maybe, just of style, that can be
conveniently reformulated . Notwithstanding these trifle comments about
form, the contents are significant and timely</small></small></big></big><big><big><small><small>
(at least for my personal taste!)</small></small></big></big><big><big><small><small>.<br>
<br>
About contents, again I will start with a few mild criticisms to the
particular scheme proposed where mycorrhiza and gut bacteria appear as
central modulators. I can be wrong, of course, as I think you have
taken new arenas of research (still unsettled) and somehow put them on
an argumentative extreme, not much reliable actually. But the
discussion in Section 3.5 about new avenues for aligning ecosystems and
economic systems is full of valuable insights. I get along with it
(with secondary nuances) and so it allows me to respond explicitly to
your question 3 below, quite positively. Conversely, question 1 and 2
imply excessive caveats for a positive response even though I admit
they have served as the scaffold for the present scheme.<br>
<br>
I will point to two ecological-economics scenarios where the ideas you
develop may produce further insights: carbon emission markets and the
evaluation of Nature's capital & services. </small></small></big></big><big><big><small><small>We
have not achieved a proper informational
formulation of economic systems yet, so traditional ideas cannot cope
with the human "value" of Nature although they struggle to put it into
the same footing as the "artificial". New thinking avenues are needed,
and I think something quite interesting looms in your Part III paper.</small></small></big></big><big><big><small><small>
Reminding the excellent contributions in the FIS 2002 session on
"Ecological Economics and Information" (seee
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://fis.sciforum.net/fis-discussion-sessions/">http://fis.sciforum.net/fis-discussion-sessions/</a> ), maybe some of those
voices are willing to speak up again. <br>
<br>
All the best--Pedro</small></small> <br>
</big></big><br>
Nikhil Joshi wrote:
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face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Sustainability
through multilevel research: The
Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 6pt 0cm;"><font color="black"
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Dear
FIS Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 6pt 0cm;"><font color="black"
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Over
the last fifty years or so, we have made significant
progress in enhancing our theoretical understanding of self-organizing
complex systems.
When it comes to self-organization in complex <i style=""><span
style="font-style: italic;">living
systems</span></i>, along with advances in theoretical research,
advances in
disciplines like prebiotic evolution, molecular biology, complexity,
linguistics, information systems, ecology, bacteriology, soil
microbiology,
sociology, and economics have all contributed to provide deeper
insights into the
processes and organization in living systems at multiple different
levels. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 6pt 0cm;"><font color="black"
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Having
reached here we can
ask the questions- can this new science help us develop a unified view
of our
socio-economic and natural systems?<span style=""> </span>Can
such a view reveal new systemic ways to align economics and ecosystems?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 6pt 0cm;"><font color="black"
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">This
series of articles
[1-3] are a part of the “Lifel Deep Society Build-A-Thon” initiative. A
research Build-A-Thon that aims to bring together domain level
researchers,
philosophers and theoretical researchers, and other problem solvers to
build a
multilevel model that can prove to be useful in enhancing our
understanding of
the combined ecosystem-economics system. This initiative provides
exciting new
opportunities for researchers to both further their own research, while
also
contributing towards addressing the larger problem of
ecosystem-economics
alignment.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<font face="Times New Roman"><small>This discussion on the FIS
network invites your ideas, questions,
comments, criticisms, suggestions on the multilevel view presented
here, and three high-level questions arising from this view:<br>
<br>
1. Is our social organization in some of its essential elements an
extension of the larger pattern in the organization of living systems
as proposed here [1]?<br>
<br>
2. Are there important organizational or role similarities between
modulator systems- Mycorrhiza networks, gut bacterial networks and
financial investment networks?<br>
<br>
3. Are there ways in which these insights could be leveraged to align
dynamics between ecosystems and economic systems?</small>
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Pedro C. Marijuán
Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud
Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X
50009 Zaragoza, Spain
Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818)
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/">http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/</a>
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