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<a title="joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch">Joseph
Brenner</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="Collierj@ukzn.ac.za"
href="mailto:Collierj@ukzn.ac.za">John Collier</a> ; <a
title="fis@listas.unizar.es" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis</a>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:52 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] Short article by Chaitin on information
incompleteness</div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Dear John,</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I hope the metamorphosis went smoothly.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Thanks for posting the Chaitin link.
It is indeed a clear statement, or group of statements, and many of
them confirm the respect due to to Chaitin as a mathematician.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">However, my respect does not extend to
the following, at the end of the article:</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><font face="Times-Roman" size="2"><font
face="Times-Roman" size="2">"To me as a pure mathematician,
metabiology is justified if it enables us to prove beautiful theorems.
More generally, software models and current work on quantum information
and randomness show the importance of an idealistic as opposed to a
materialist conception of nature. Information and computation are
better than matter and energy. I expect that this is just the beginning
and that, if we are fortunate, we will continue to see idealism
supersede materialism, particularly in the much-to-be-desired basic
theoretical understanding of consciousness and mind."</font></font></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">This kind of dichotomous dogma may sit
well with the 'sponsors', but it does not bode well for progress in
information science or philosophy. Is there anyone who feels it does? </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Best wishes,</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Joseph</font></div>
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<a title="Collierj@ukzn.ac.za" href="mailto:Collierj@ukzn.ac.za">John
Collier</a> </div>
<div
style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b>
<a title="fis@listas.unizar.es" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis</a>
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<div
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Tuesday, October 27, 2015 12:21 PM</div>
<div
style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b>
[Fis] Short article by Chaitin on ionformation incompleteness</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A particularly clear statement of basic results
of incompleteness, randomness, creativity, and a proposal for
application to metabiology.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="http://inference-review.com/article/an-algorithmic-god">http://inference-review.com/article/an-algorithmic-god</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">John Collier<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">Professor Emeritus, UKZN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style=""><a
href="http://web.ncf.ca/collier">http://web.ncf.ca/collier</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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