<div dir="ltr">Loet wrote:<div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"> I suggest to distinguish between three levels (following Weaver): A. (Shannon-type) information processing ; B. meaning sharing using languages; C. translations among coded communications. </span><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px">So, here we have a subsumptive hierarchy"</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px">{reduction of possibilities {interpretation {generalization}}}</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px">STAN</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 2:14 AM, Loet Leydesdorff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net" target="_blank">loet@leydesdorff.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">in other words, it's time we confess in science just how little we know about language, that we explore language's mysteries, and that we use our discoveries as a crowbar to pry open the secrets of this highly contextual, deeply relational, profoundly communicational cosmos.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#44546a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a">Dear colleagues,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a">The vernacular is not sufficiently codified to contain the complexity of the sciences. One needs specialized languages (jargons) that are based on symbolic codification. The codes can be unpacked in elaborate language; but they remain under re-construction. The further differentiation of codes of communication drives the complexity and therefore the advancement of the sciences as discursive constructs.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a">This cultural evolution remains rooted in and generated by the underlying levels. For example, individuals provide variety by making new knowledge claims. Since the selection is at the level of communication, however, this level tends to take over control. But not as an agent; it further differentiates into different forms of communication such as scientific discourse, political discourse, etc. Sociologists (Parsons, Luhmann) have proposed “symbolically generalized media of communication” which span horizons of meaning. “Energy”, for example, has a meaning in science very different from its meaning in political discourse. Translations remain of course possible; local organizations and agents have to integrate different meanings in action (variation; reproduction).<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a">In my recent paper on the Self-organization of meaning (at <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1507.05251" target="_blank">http://arxiv.org/abs/1507.05251</a> ), I suggest to distinguish between three levels (following Weaver): A. (Shannon-type) information processing ; B. meaning sharing using languages; C. translations among coded communications. The horizontal and vertical feedback and feedforward mechanisms (entropy generation vs. redundancy generation in terms of increasing the number of options) are further to be specified.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a">Hopefully, this contributes to our discussion. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a">Loet<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><hr size="3" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Loet Leydesdorff </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Professor Emeritus,</span></i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> University of Amsterdam<br>Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a"><a href="mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net" title="mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">loet@leydesdorff.net </span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">; </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a"><a href="http://www.leydesdorff.net/" title="http://www.leydesdorff.net/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">http://www.leydesdorff.net/</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> <br></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Honorary Professor, </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a"><a href="http://www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">SPRU, </span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">University of Sussex; <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Guest Professor </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a"><a href="http://www.zju.edu.cn/english/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">Zhejiang Univ.</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">, Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a"><a href="http://www.istic.ac.cn/Eng/brief_en.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">ISTIC, </span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Beijing;<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Visiting Professor, </span><a name="150220ab26f38637__GoBack"></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a"><a href="http://www.bbk.ac.uk/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">Birkbeck</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">, University of London; <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a"><a href="http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYAAAAJ&hl=en" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYAAAAJ&hl=en</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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