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Loet Leydesdorff [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net">mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 26, 2015 12:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Pedro C. Marijuan'; 'Günther Witzany'; 'fis'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> '<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:farah@howardbloom.net">farah@howardbloom.net</a>'; 'Emanuel Diamant'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Fis] Information is a linguistic description of
structures<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(68, 84, 106);">Dear Pedro,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(68, 84, 106);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Info sources, channels
for info flows, and info receptors are not mere Shannonian overtones,
they symbolically refer to the very info skeleton of our societies; or
looking dynamically it is the engine of social history and of social
complexity. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(68, 84, 106);">It seems to
me that you move too fast from the biological level to the sociological
one. At the biological level, one can observe “languaging” as a
semantic domain (Maturana), but not understand the language itself.
Languaging is a necessary, but not sufficient condition; indeed, it
provides the skeleton of our societies. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(68, 84, 106);">Once a
cultural dynamics is generated on top of the biological one (by
exchanging and sharing meaning using languages and symbols), this
next-order level can be expected to take over control and reshape the
underlying ones. For example, we can intervene in nature
technologically; in my country (Holland), for example, nature is
artificial and controlled by water management.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(68, 84, 106);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(68, 84, 106);">The
cultural dynamics can no longer be reduced to an epi-phenomenon or mere
consequence of the biological one. The dynamics of variation and
selection are changed, since we are able to proliferate ideas as
variation (possible meanings) much faster than we as carrying agents
can turn into action and behavior (among which “languaging”).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(68, 84, 106);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(68, 84, 106);">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(68, 84, 106);">Loet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Loet Leydesdorff <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Professor Emeritus,</span></i><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> University of
Amsterdam<br>
Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(68, 84, 106);"><a
href="mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net" title="mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;">loet@leydesdorff.net </span></a></span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">; </span><span
style="color: rgb(68, 84, 106);"><a href="http://www.leydesdorff.net/"
title="http://www.leydesdorff.net/"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;">http://www.leydesdorff.net/</span></a></span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size: 9pt;">Honorary Professor, </span><span
style="color: rgb(68, 84, 106);"><a
href="http://www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/"><span
style="font-size: 9pt; color: blue;">SPRU, </span></a></span><span
style="font-size: 9pt;">University of Sussex; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9pt;">Guest Professor </span><span
style="color: rgb(68, 84, 106);"><a
href="http://www.zju.edu.cn/english/"><span
style="font-size: 9pt; color: blue;">Zhejiang Univ.</span></a></span><span
style="font-size: 9pt;">, Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, </span><span
style="color: rgb(68, 84, 106);"><a
href="http://www.istic.ac.cn/Eng/brief_en.html"><span
style="font-size: 9pt; color: blue;">ISTIC, </span></a></span><span
style="font-size: 9pt;">Beijing;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9pt;">Visiting Professor, </span><a
name="_GoBack"></a><span style="color: rgb(68, 84, 106);"><a
href="http://www.bbk.ac.uk/"><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: blue;">Birkbeck</span></a></span><span
style="font-size: 9pt;">, University of London; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(68, 84, 106);"><a
href="http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYAAAAJ&hl=en"><span
style="font-size: 9pt; color: blue;">http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYAAAAJ&hl=en</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Pedro C. Marijuán
Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud
Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X
50009 Zaragoza, Spain
Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818)
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/">http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/</a>
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