<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Sep 21, 2015, at 11:19 PM, Francesco Rizzo <<a href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" class="">13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</blockquote><div class="">Assisted translation to English:</div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">I bring the thought of Chilean neuro-biologist Maturana: "The experience of the physical, that deals with classical physics, relativity or quantum, does not reflect the nature of the universe, but the 'ontology of the observer as a living system, because he "operates linguistically" while achieving physical entities and the operational coherences of their domains of existence. As Einstein said' theories (explanations) of science are free creations of the human mind ‘" (Maturana, 1993).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In this context, "operate linguistically" means being and living in language, cooperating behavior, recursive and described semantically. Everything exists and takes place within the communication, not outside. And that is why one can not ignore the relationship between information and meaning.</div></blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It is important to have a clear epistemology. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Einstein, in fact, said many things of epistemic merit and he was very clear to draw the distinction between existence (ontology) and merely language. So for me your presentation here does not hold. I have no doubt, however, that he said that theories are the "free creations of the human mind.” But he did not intend to imply that physics arises as a consequence, he clearly believe in the process of empirical science. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Now he is known to engage in speculation, for example asking the question is the moon still there if no one is looking. Einstein was very much a determinist and absolutely did believe in a world independent of our ideas.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Maturana seems too vague to me, but his idea of autopoiesis is interesting.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I started this discussion with a very clear description of the relation between information and meaning. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">To recap, meaning refers to the responsive behavior of an apprehension. Even referential meanings are captured by this definition. We have no need to say that “this does that” or “A is a B” and suggest anything in the world. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We may say, for example, that "this train takes me to the city” and the meaning of this sentence is that I get onto the train and am taken to the city. I may say that “pretty flowers grow in spring” but the meaning of this sentence is that I pick those flowers in spring and give them to someone I love, for you it may simply mean that you have an allergic response when in their proximity.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In this way we can, for example, determine the meaning of the Spanish text you sent me, for my case - its meaning is that I immediately translated it to English text and then wrote this email. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In short, the sentence alone holds no meaning, it is merely a sentence, marks upon paper. Interpretation cannot be fixed.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Meaning is only present when we act upon the apprehension of such a mark. Language is simply a convention that tells me how to treat marks of this kind and provides some social pragmatics. When I hear the sentence that “this train takes me to the city” I know that it means I may act and use the train to travel to the city. If I ignore the sentence then it has no meaning to me, it has no effect.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A = B, only has meaning to those who act upon apprehending it. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also note that, for me, communication is simply a way of speaking about the engineering of machines and the activity of social groups. In essence communication is simply a convenience, a way to speak about a group of apprehenders, be they machine or human.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Similarly “intelligence" is also a way of speaking about actions that we deem are the product of intent.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The bottom-line is that if you live only in language then you live in an impoverished world.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Of course all theories are the free creation of the mind, it is what comes next that matters.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This inevitably leads me to the work of Benjamin Peirce, who may have been the first to observe that all the laws of nature are necessarily the algebraic sum of their action together. The idea was developed by Einstein, though Einstein was motivated by Maxwell’s work on covariance, as General Covariance and emphasizing that the natural laws are necessarily independent of any particular coordinate system.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The challenge that Benjamin Peirce saw was how to unify this purely mathematical view with the physical sciences. I believe he set both of his sons James and Charles upon this task.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This goal of unifying pure mathematics and the physical sciences has yet to be achieved, although I am hopeful. In particular the movement against truth value systems may be gaining momentum.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And this leads me to mention locality because Einstein was concerned by concerns that I share. It is certainly the case that in GR we can speak only of the local event but if you want to solve real problems you yourself provide the unification of calculations, for example, to take man out of the solar system. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Indeed, to do anything at all requires that we provide the missing locality.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards,</div><div class="">Steven</div><br class=""><br class=""><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">
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