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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">In maintenance of the
position</span> by Joseph:<br>
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I accept all approaches. <br>
We must study any phenomenon from different aspects.<br>
This does not mean that all actors should study all of the possible
aspects, but accept them.<br>
According to me, Joe is right. Ontological aspects are as much
important as epistemological.<br>
Episteme is about the way how we obtain information from certain
(existing) entities.<br>
Ontology is about the study of these entities, independent of
whether we obtain or not (and if so, which way) any information
about them.<br>
The two approaches should be studied separately in themselves, but
not denying the <span style="color: rgb(136, 85, 136);
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other.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Gyuri<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">2015.07.23. 15:58 keltezéssel, Fernando
Flores írta:<br>
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<pre>I will answer to the comments made by Joseph and Luis will answer to the comments made by Moisés.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Dear
Joseph:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Thank
you for your comments. We are not sure about the usefulness
of identifying “information” (order) with “mater”. In this
sense we are very carefully to avoid any hard physicalist
approach. In this sense we believe with </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Norbert
Wiener:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="Brdindrag"><span
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lang="EN-GB">The mechanical brain does not secrete thought
“as the liver does bile”, as the earlier materialist cl</span></span><span
class="FormatmallBrdindragGaramondChar"><span lang="EN-GB">aimed,
nor does it put it out in the form of energy, as the
muscle puts out its activity. Information is i</span></span><span
class="FormatmallBrdindragGaramond14ptChar"><span
lang="EN-GB">nformation, not matter nor energy. No
materialism, which does not admit this, can survive at the
present day.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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class="FormatmallBrdindragGaramond14ptChar"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt" lang="EN-GB">An informational
description of the world must stand as a new branch of
science in which “digitalism” will be the natural
language. Of course as any other science, it is a
simplification of the complexity of
nature/society/culture. I believe that we are shown that
we are very conscious about the risks of a hard
simplification, and that is why we introduced that idea of
freedom in a chain of acts and use probability as
mathematical language. We considered the vital acts as
∞-free.</span></span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Fernando
Flores PhD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Associate Professor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><font size="-1">Probably interesting publications online: <br>
<a
href="http://www.springerlink.com/openurl.asp?genre=article&id=doi:10.1007/s10773-013-1781-2"
target="_blank">A few consequences of the presence of
isotopic field-charges in QED</a> <br>
<a
href="http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10773-013-1693-1"
target="_blank">Electromagnetic interaction in the presence
of isotopic field-charges</a> <br>
<a
href="http://www.springerlink.com/content/g28q43v2112721r1/"
target="_blank">Physical consequences of a new
gauge-symmetry and its associated conservation law </a><br>
<br>
<a href="http://album.reality.hu/panos/lanchid_tetejen/giga/"
target="_blank">Greetings from Budapest</a> <br>
______________________________________________________ <br>
<a href="http://members.iif.hu/darvasg/" target="_blank">György
Darvas</a>, Editor: <a href="journal-scs.symmetry.hu"
title="Symmetry: Culture and Science" target="_blank"><em><strong>Symmetry</strong>:
Culture and Science</em></a><br>
<a href="mailto:darvasg@iif.hu">E-mail</a>; Skype: darvasgy; <a
href="http://symmetry.hu/" target="_blank">S Y M M E T R I O
N</a> , <a href="http://isa.symmetry.hu"
title="International Symmetry Association" target="_blank">ISA</a>
on <a href="https://www.facebook.com/symmetry.association"
target="_blank">Facebook</a> <br>
<em>Address</em>: 29 Eötvös St., Budapest, H-1067 Hungary;
Phone: +36 (1) 302-6965; <br>
Monograph: <a href="http://bookzz.org/book/1126637/6f6c42"
title="Symmetry" target="_blank"><em>Symmetry</em></a><em>;</em>
<br>
Course of lectures on <em><a
href="http://hps.elte.hu/oktaeder/atmeneti/darvas.htm#English"
target="_blank">Symmetry</a></em>,<br>
</font><font size="-1">Course of lectures on <a
href="http://hps.elte.hu/courses/darvas3.htm#English"
target="_blank"><em>Physical Symmetries and Conservation
Laws</em></a>,<br>
Course of lectures on <a
href="http://hps.elte.hu/oktaeder/atmeneti/darvas2.htm#English"
target="_blank"><em>Interactions in Kinetic Fields and the
Conservation of IFCS</em></a> <br>
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