<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On 23 Jun 2015, at 07:13, Emanuel Diamant wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">My dear FIS-friends,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">I apologize for not withstanding the pace of our discussion – you are already busy with the problem of “meaning” (Steven) and I am still preparing to answer Howard’s letter about linguistic biology…<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Dear Howard,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Thank you for your suggestion to “add yet one more approach to the list: linguistic biology”. Unfortunately, I cannot accept it – because it is redundant and tautological.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">My definition of information is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Information is a linguistic description of structures observable in a given data set.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>(I apologize for non-providing any arguments for justifying this statement. Interested people have to go to my old papers in arXiv, Research Gate or on my web site<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.vidia-mant.info" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="color: black; ">http://www.vidia-mant.info</span></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>).<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">For the reasons provided just above (and elsewhere), any use of the term “Cognitive” implies the use of the term “information” (information processing) and, thus, already contains linguistic descriptions of data structures in a given data set (in a given object). Therefore, strengthening Cognitive biology with Linguistic biology is simply a tautology.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">I also cannot accept the allusion to the Guenther Witzany’s work (as an attempt to justify the backup of Linguistic biology). Meanwhile, Witzany himself illuminate the issue in his response to Jerry Chandler (20.06.2015). I myself was enlightened about the subject by a 2004 paper of Eshel Ben-Jacob (et al) “Bacterial linguistic communication and social intelligence”,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Trends in Microbiology</i>, vol. 12, no. 8, pp. 366-372, August 2004. I have cited it in my 2009 paper “</span><span lang="EN" style="color: black; ">Some considerations on how the human brain must be arranged in order to make its replication in a thinking machine possible”, (</span><span style="color: black; ">.<a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1002.0184" title="Abstract" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span lang="EN" style="color: black; ">arXiv:1002.0184</span></a></span><span lang="EN" style="color: black; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[</span><span style="color: black; "><a href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1002.0184" title="Download PDF" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span lang="EN" style="color: black; ">pdf</span></a></span><span lang="EN" style="color: black; ">]). I do not want to spend much more time on this issue and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="color: black; ">to draw our discussion farther in this direction.</span><span lang="EN" style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Finally, I do not agree either with your statement that “each approach uses a helpful metaphor”. Brain as a computer metaphor (dominating in the past century) has exhausted its life cycle, “Computational” approach today is a harmful and a dangerous relict. It would be wise not to galvanize it again.</span></div></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>People should not confuse the computationalist thesis in cognitive science, and the use of this or that type of machine as a metaphor to understand the brain functioning.</div><div><br></div><div>In fact those two things oppose themselves. It can be shown that IF we are machine, then we cannot know for sure which machine we are, nor which computations support us. Information arise from our statistical distribution in the infinitely many computations (already present in a tiny segment of arithmetic). The math shows that he quantum appearances are justified from that computationalist hypothesis.</div><div><br></div><div>In fact computationalism appears to be a vaccine against all reductionistic metaphors. The ideally correct machine, like Peano Arithmetic or Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory, already know that their soul is not a machine, when translating Theaetetus definition of the soul (the knower) with Gödel technic (as I did).</div><div><br></div><div>To believe in the negation of computationalism means to believe in some magic or in some special actual infinities playing some rôle in the brain. </div><div><br></div><div>Many people still believe that mechanism and materialism are compatible, but there are not. </div><div>Choose your favorite poison, but it seems to me that the evidences we have support much more mechanism than materialism.</div><div><br></div><div>Bruno</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">I apologize for the delayed response.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Emanuel.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:HowlBloom@aol.com">HowlBloom@aol.com</a> [<a href="mailto:HowlBloom@aol.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:HowlBloom@aol.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:52 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:emanl.245@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">emanl.245@gmail.com</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jerry_lr_chandler@me.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jerry_lr_chandler@me.com</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:witzany@sbg.at" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">witzany@sbg.at</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Fis] FIS newcomer<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; ">re: cognitive biology vs computational biology.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; ">may i suggest that you add yet one more approach to the list: linguistic biology. per the work of Guenther Witzany. also reflected in my book The God Problem: How a Godless Cosmos Creates.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; ">each approach uses a helpful metaphor. no one approach sees the elephant in its entirety. so please let us use all three.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; ">with oomph--howard<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; ">----------------------<br>Howard Bloom<br>Howardbloom.net<br>Author of: The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition Into the Forces of History ("mesmerizing"-The Washington Post),<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Global Brain: The Evolution of Mass Mind From The Big Bang to the 21st Century ("reassuring and sobering"-The New Yorker),<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>The Genius of the Beast: A Radical Re-Vision of Capitalism ("A tremendously enjoyable book." James Fallows, National Correspondent, The Atlantic),<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>The God Problem: How A Godless Cosmos Creates("Bloom's argument will rock your world." Barbara Ehrenreich),<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>How I Accidentally Started the Sixties (“Wow! Whew! Wild! Wonderful!” Timothy Leary), and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>The Mohammed Code (“A terrifying book…the best book I’ve read on Islam.” David Swindle, PJ Media).<br>Former Core Faculty Member, The Graduate Institute; Former Visiting Scholar-Graduate Psychology Department, New York University<br>Founder: International Paleopsychology Project. Founder: The Group Selection Squad; Founder, Space Development Steering Committee. Board Member and Member Of Board Of Governors, National Space Society. Founding Board Member: Epic of Evolution Society. Founding Board Member, The Darwin Project. Founder: The Big Bang Tango Media Lab. Member: New York Academy of Sciences, American Association for the Advancement of Science, American Psychological Society, Academy of Political Science, Human Behavior and Evolution Society, International Society for Human Ethology. Scientific Advisory Board Member, Lifeboat Foundation. Advisory Board Member, The Buffalo Film Festival. Editorial board member, The Journal of Space Philosophy.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; ">In a message dated 6/19/2015 9:22:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:emanl.245@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">emanl.245@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>writes:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote style="margin-left: 7.5pt; margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Dear Jerry,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Thank you for responding to my post.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Thank you very much for an attempt to read and to understand my Vienna Symposium related publications.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">I apologize for a delay in my response – I was trying to read and to understand your papers (“Algebraic Biology” and “<a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265238674_Physical_Foundations_of_Organic_Mathematics_%28Abstract_August_26_2014%29" title="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265238674_Physical_Foundations_of_Organic_Mathematics_(Abstract_August_26_2014)" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span lang="EN" style="color: black; text-decoration: none; ">Physical Foundations of Organic Mathematics”).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="color: black; text-decoration: none; ">Unfortunately, I did not understand much of what you are talking there (about biological computations).</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN" style="color: black; "><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265238674_Physical_Foundations_of_Organic_Mathematics_%28Abstract_August_26_2014%29" title="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265238674_Physical_Foundations_of_Organic_Mathematics_(Abstract_August_26_2014)" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="color: black; text-decoration: none; ">Never mind, it is my fault, not yours. To my shame, I often also do not understand what other people on the forum are writing too. </span></a></span><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">As to me, I think (and write) that the era of a computational approach to science and nature studies is over and we are gradually replacing it with a cognitive approach. (</span><span lang="EN" style="color: black; ">Computational biology, Computational ecology, Computational neuroscience, Computational genomics, Computational chemistry, Computational endocrinology, Computational intelligence, Computational linguistics and so on are now being replaced with Cognitive biology, Cognitive ecology, Cognitive neuroscience, Cognitive genomics, Cognitive endocrinology, Cognitive intelligence, Cognitive linguistics, and even Cognitive computing).<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN" style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN" style="color: black; ">By definition, computational approaches imply intensive data processing, while Cognitive approaches imply dedicated information processing. What is the difference? Unfortunately, FIS forum does not dwell on this issue.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">I was pleased to hear from Prof. Kun Wu (at his opening lecture in Vienna) that “By means of the reformation, all scientific and philosophical domains are facing an integrative trend of paradigm reform, which I name as “<b>informationalization of science</b>”, (The quotation is from one of his presentation slides).<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">As you can see, my assertions are very close to what Prof. Kun Wu claims, but far from what you (and other mainstream FIS contributors) obey and adhere to.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">I am a newcomer to FIS and I do not intend to preach in the others’ temple. But Prof. Kun Wu is one of the founding fathers of the Philosophy of Information. Therefore, it would be wise for you to be in an agreement with his postulates.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Emanuel Diamant.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jerry LR Chandler [<a href="mailto:jerry_lr_chandler@me.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:jerry_lr_chandler@me.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, June 15, 2015 8:42 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Emanuel Diamant<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Fis] FIS newcomer<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Dear Emanuel:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Thanks for posting your views on Research Gate.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Interesting perspective, but... the essence of biology / biological computation are empirical observations that are highly irregular in nature. One must separate the concepts of structures from functions in the languages of chemistry and biology.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">You may wish to look at the concepts of languages from your perspectives.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Several of my online available papers will provide more substance for these comments.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">jerry<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">On Jun 15, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Emanuel Diamant wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Dear FISlists,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">I am a newcomer to the FIS discussion table. The debate that is going on in your list-exchange is very interesting to me, but frankly, for the most of the time, I only guess about what you are talking – my vocabulary and my notions of Information are quite different from yours. Nevertheless, I would like to add my voice to the ongoing discourse – I would like to direct you to my page on the Research Gate (<a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Emanuel_Diamant" title="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Emanuel_Diamant" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); ">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Emanuel_Diamant</span></a>) to see my uploads from the last IS4IS Vienna Conference. Maybe you will find them interesting.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Best regards,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Emanuel Diamant.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: black; ">_______________________________________________<br>Fis mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es" title="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); ">Fis@listas.unizar.es</span></a><br><a href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis" title="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); ">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; "><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Fis mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Fis@listas.unizar.es</a><br><a href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></blockquote></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Fis mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Fis@listas.unizar.es</a><br><a href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><a href="http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/">http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/</a></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></body></html>