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<DIV>good points from guenther.</DIV>
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<DIV>see if this helps:</DIV>
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meaning is anything that a receiver can understand, if meaning is anything
that an entity can interpret, if meaning is in the eye of the beholder, then
how do you know when a thing or a person “understands” something? Follow the
B.F. Skinner rule.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Watch his or
her behavior.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Watch for the signs
of stimulus and response.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Watch
to<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>see if the receiver does
something in response to the stimulus.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Watch to see if the receiver moves. </SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>from The God Problem: How a Godless Cosmos Creates.</DIV>
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<DIV>with warmth and oomph--howard</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT lang=0 size=2 face=Arial FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">----------------------<BR>Howard Bloom<BR>Howardbloom.net<BR>Author
of: The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition Into the Forces of History
("mesmerizing"-The Washington Post), <BR>Global Brain: The Evolution of Mass
Mind From The Big Bang to the 21st Century ("reassuring and sobering"-The New
Yorker), <BR>The Genius of the Beast: A Radical Re-Vision of Capitalism ("A
tremendously enjoyable book." James Fallows, National Correspondent, The
Atlantic), <BR>The God Problem: How A Godless Cosmos Creates("Bloom's argument
will rock your world." Barbara Ehrenreich), <BR>How I Accidentally Started the
Sixties (“Wow! Whew! Wild! Wonderful!” Timothy Leary), and <BR>The Mohammed Code
(“A terrifying book…the best book I’ve read on Islam.” David Swindle, PJ
Media).<BR>Former Core Faculty Member, The Graduate Institute; Former Visiting
Scholar-Graduate Psychology Department, New York University<BR>Founder:
International Paleopsychology Project. Founder: The Group Selection Squad;
Founder, Space Development Steering Committee. Board Member and Member Of Board
Of Governors, National Space Society. Founding Board Member: Epic of Evolution
Society. Founding Board Member, The Darwin Project. Founder: The Big Bang Tango
Media Lab. Member: New York Academy of Sciences, American Association for the
Advancement of Science, American Psychological Society, Academy of Political
Science, Human Behavior and Evolution Society, International Society for Human
Ethology. Scientific Advisory Board Member, Lifeboat Foundation. Advisory Board
Member, The Buffalo Film Festival. Editorial board member, The Journal of Space
Philosophy. <BR>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 6/21/2015 7:51:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
witzany@sbg.at writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial><BR><BR>Meaning is a social function (G.H.Mead). The meaning can be
simply identifying by looking what habits it produces (C.S.Peirce), the
meaning of a word is its use (late Wittgenstein, Philosophical
Investigations). There remains no question about "meaning" so far. This
problem is finally solved.
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<DIV>Best</DIV>
<DIV>Guenther<BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>Am 20.06.2015 um 22:33 schrieb Jerry LR Chandler:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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<DIV>My opinions categorically reject the shallow proposition below which
ignores the foundational logic.</DIV>
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<DIV>The biological sciences focus on life itself.</DIV>
<DIV>The scientific foundation of biological information is included under
the notion of Foundation of Information Science.</DIV>
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<DIV>The adjectives "cognitive" and "computational" and "linguistic" do not
influence the meaning the foundation of the science, they are merely
descriptors of sub-aspects of the science or incomplete perspectives of
biology.</DIV>
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<DIV>The post introduces the proposition that these three adjectives are not
even modifiers of the meaning of biology, mere metaphors, each of which can
carry a vast array of meanings. </DIV>
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<DIV>Personally, I am rather fond of elephants and find this slight of
elephants, one of mother nature's greatest achievements, unwarranted.
</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Cheers</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Jerry</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Jun 19, 2015, at 7:52 PM, <A title=mailto:HowlBloom@aol.com href="mailto:HowlBloom@aol.com">HowlBloom@aol.com</A> wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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<DIV>re: cognitive biology vs computational biology.</DIV>
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<DIV>may i suggest that you add yet one more approach to the list:
linguistic biology. per the work of Guenther Witzany. also
reflected in my book The God Problem: How a Godless Cosmos Creates.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>each approach uses a helpful metaphor. no
one approach sees the elephant in its entirety. so please let us
use all three.</DIV>
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<DIV>with oomph--howard</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT lang=0 size=2 face=Arial family="SANSSERIF" ptsize="10">----------------------<BR>Howard Bloom<BR><A title=http://howardbloom.net/ href="http://howardbloom.net/">Howardbloom.net</A><BR>Author of: The
Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition Into the Forces of History
("mesmerizing"-The Washington Post), <BR>Global Brain: The Evolution of
Mass Mind From The Big Bang to the 21st Century ("reassuring and
sobering"-The New Yorker), <BR>The Genius of the Beast: A Radical
Re-Vision of Capitalism ("A tremendously enjoyable book." James Fallows,
National Correspondent, The Atlantic), <BR>The God Problem: How A Godless
Cosmos Creates("Bloom's argument will rock your world." Barbara
Ehrenreich), <BR>How I Accidentally Started the Sixties (“Wow! Whew! Wild!
Wonderful!” Timothy Leary), and <BR>The Mohammed Code (“A terrifying
book…the best book I’ve read on Islam.” David Swindle, PJ
Media).<BR>Former Core Faculty Member, The Graduate Institute; Former
Visiting Scholar-Graduate Psychology Department, New York
University<BR>Founder: International Paleopsychology Project. Founder: The
Group Selection Squad; Founder, Space Development Steering Committee.
Board Member and Member Of Board Of Governors, National Space Society.
Founding Board Member: Epic of Evolution Society. Founding Board Member,
The Darwin Project. Founder: The Big Bang Tango Media Lab. Member: New
York Academy of Sciences, American Association for the Advancement of
Science, American Psychological Society, Academy of Political Science,
Human Behavior and Evolution Society, International Society for Human
Ethology. Scientific Advisory Board Member, Lifeboat Foundation. Advisory
Board Member, The Buffalo Film Festival. Editorial board member, The
Journal of Space Philosophy. <BR>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 6/19/2015 9:22:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, <A title=mailto:emanl.245@gmail.com href="mailto:emanl.245@gmail.com">emanl.245@gmail.com</A> writes:</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Dear Jerry,
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Thank you for responding
to my post.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Thank you very much for an
attempt to read and to understand my Vienna Symposium related
publications.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">I apologize for a delay in
my response – I was trying to read and to understand your papers
(“Algebraic Biology” and “<A title=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265238674_Physical_Foundations_of_Organic_Mathematics_(Abstract_August_26_2014) href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265238674_Physical_Foundations_of_Organic_Mathematics_%28Abstract_August_26_2014%29"><SPAN lang=EN style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; COLOR: black">Physical Foundations
of Organic Mathematics”). </SPAN><SPAN style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; COLOR: black">Unfortunately, I did not
understand much of what you are talking there (about biological
computations).</SPAN></A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN style="COLOR: black"><A title=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265238674_Physical_Foundations_of_Organic_Mathematics_(Abstract_August_26_2014) href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265238674_Physical_Foundations_of_Organic_Mathematics_%28Abstract_August_26_2014%29"><SPAN style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; COLOR: black">Never mind, it is my fault,
not yours. To my shame, I often also do not understand what other people
on the forum are writing too.
</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">As to me, I think (and
write) that the era of a computational approach to science and nature
studies is over and we are gradually replacing it with a cognitive
approach. (</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN style="COLOR: black">Computational
biology, Computational ecology, Computational neuroscience,
Computational genomics, Computational chemistry, Computational
endocrinology, Computational intelligence, Computational linguistics and
so on are now being replaced with Cognitive biology, Cognitive ecology,
Cognitive neuroscience, Cognitive genomics, Cognitive endocrinology,
Cognitive intelligence, Cognitive linguistics, and even Cognitive
computing).<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN style="COLOR: black"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN style="COLOR: black">By definition,
computational approaches imply intensive data processing, while
Cognitive approaches imply dedicated information processing. What is the
difference? Unfortunately, FIS forum does not dwell on this issue.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">I was pleased to hear from
Prof. Kun Wu (at his opening lecture in Vienna) that “By means of the
reformation, all scientific and philosophical domains are facing an
integrative trend of paradigm reform, which I name as
“<B>informationalization of science</B>”, (The quotation is from one of
his presentation slides). <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">As you can see, my
assertions are very close to what Prof. Kun Wu claims, but far from what
you (and other mainstream FIS contributors) obey and adhere to.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">I am a newcomer to FIS and
I do not intend to preach in the others’ temple. But Prof. Kun Wu is one
of the founding fathers of the Philosophy of Information. Therefore, it
would be wise for you to be in an agreement with his postulates.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Best
regards,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Emanuel
Diamant.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'> Jerry LR
Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chandler@me.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June
15, 2015 8:42 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Emanuel Diamant<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Fis] FIS newcomer<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Dear Emanuel:<O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><O:P> </O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Thanks for posting your views on Research
Gate.<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><O:P> </O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Interesting perspective, but... the essence of
biology / biological computation are empirical observations that are
highly irregular in nature. One must separate the concepts of structures
from functions in the languages of chemistry and
biology.<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><O:P> </O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>You may wish to look at the concepts of languages
from your perspectives.<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Several of my online available papers will provide
more substance for these comments.<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P> </O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Cheers<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P> </O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>jerry<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P> </O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><O:P> </O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Jun 15, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Emanuel Diamant
wrote:<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Dear FISlists,<SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I am a newcomer to the FIS discussion table. The
debate that is going on in your list-exchange is very interesting to
me, but frankly, for the most of the time, I only guess about what you
are talking – my vocabulary and my notions of Information are quite
different from yours. Nevertheless, I would like to add my voice to
the ongoing discourse – I would like to direct you to my page on the
Research Gate (<A title=https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Emanuel_Diamant href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Emanuel_Diamant"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0563c1">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Emanuel_Diamant</SPAN></A>)
to see my uploads from the last IS4IS Vienna Conference. Maybe you
will find them interesting.<SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Best regards,<SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Emanuel Diamant.<SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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