<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">List:<div><br></div><div>My opinions categorically reject the shallow proposition below which ignores the foundational logic.</div><div><br></div><div>The biological sciences focus on life itself.</div><div>The scientific foundation of biological information is included under the notion of Foundation of Information Science.</div><div><br></div><div>The adjectives "cognitive" and "computational" and "linguistic" do not influence the meaning the foundation of the science, they are merely descriptors of sub-aspects of the science or incomplete perspectives of biology.</div><div><br></div><div>The post introduces the proposition that these three adjectives are not even modifiers of the meaning of biology, mere metaphors, each of which can carry a vast array of meanings. </div><div><br></div><div>Personally, I am rather fond of elephants and find this slight of elephants, one of mother nature's greatest achievements, unwarranted. </div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div><div>Jerry</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 19, 2015, at 7:52 PM, <a href="mailto:HowlBloom@aol.com">HowlBloom@aol.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div>re: cognitive biology vs computational biology.</div>
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<div>may i suggest that you add yet one more approach to the list: linguistic
biology. per the work of Guenther Witzany. also reflected in my book
The God Problem: How a Godless Cosmos Creates.</div>
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<div>each approach uses a helpful metaphor. no one approach sees
the elephant in its entirety. so please let us use all three.</div>
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<div>with oomph--howard</div>
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Sixties (“Wow! Whew! Wild! Wonderful!” Timothy Leary), and <br>The Mohammed Code
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<div>In a message dated 6/19/2015 9:22:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
emanl.245@gmail.com writes:</div>
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<div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">Dear Jerry,
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">Thank you for responding to my
post.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">Thank you very much for an
attempt to read and to understand my Vienna Symposium related
publications.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">I apologize for a delay in my
response – I was trying to read and to understand your papers (“Algebraic
Biology” and “<a title="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265238674_Physical_Foundations_of_Organic_Mathematics_(Abstract_August_26_2014)" href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265238674_Physical_Foundations_of_Organic_Mathematics_%28Abstract_August_26_2014%29"><span lang="EN" style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; COLOR: black">Physical Foundations of
Organic Mathematics”). </span><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; COLOR: black">Unfortunately, I did not
understand much of what you are talking there (about biological
computations).</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN" style="COLOR: black"><a title="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265238674_Physical_Foundations_of_Organic_Mathematics_(Abstract_August_26_2014)" href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265238674_Physical_Foundations_of_Organic_Mathematics_%28Abstract_August_26_2014%29"><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; COLOR: black">Never mind, it is my fault, not
yours. To my shame, I often also do not understand what other people on the
forum are writing too. </span></a></span><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">As to me, I think (and write)
that the era of a computational approach to science and nature studies is over
and we are gradually replacing it with a cognitive approach. (</span><span lang="EN" style="COLOR: black">Computational biology, Computational ecology,
Computational neuroscience, Computational genomics, Computational chemistry,
Computational endocrinology, Computational intelligence, Computational
linguistics and so on are now being replaced with Cognitive biology, Cognitive
ecology, Cognitive neuroscience, Cognitive genomics, Cognitive endocrinology,
Cognitive intelligence, Cognitive linguistics, and even Cognitive
computing).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN" style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN" style="COLOR: black">By definition,
computational approaches imply intensive data processing, while Cognitive
approaches imply dedicated information processing. What is the difference?
Unfortunately, FIS forum does not dwell on this issue. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">I was pleased to hear from Prof.
Kun Wu (at his opening lecture in Vienna) that “By means of the reformation,
all scientific and philosophical domains are facing an integrative trend of
paradigm reform, which I name as “<b>informationalization of science</b>”,
(The quotation is from one of his presentation slides). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">As you can see, my assertions
are very close to what Prof. Kun Wu claims, but far from what you (and other
mainstream FIS contributors) obey and adhere to. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">I am a newcomer to FIS and I do
not intend to preach in the others’ temple. But Prof. Kun Wu is one of the
founding fathers of the Philosophy of Information. Therefore, it would be wise
for you to be in an agreement with his postulates. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">Best
regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">Emanuel
Diamant.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div style="BORDER-TOP: #e1e1e1 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif""> Jerry LR
Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chandler@me.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 15,
2015 8:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> Emanuel Diamant<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] FIS
newcomer<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Dear Emanuel:<o:p></o:p></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for posting your views on Research
Gate.<o:p></o:p></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Interesting perspective, but... the essence of
biology / biological computation are empirical observations that are highly
irregular in nature. One must separate the concepts of structures from
functions in the languages of chemistry and biology.<o:p></o:p></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">You may wish to look at the concepts of languages from your
perspectives.<o:p></o:p></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Several of my online available papers will provide more
substance for these comments.<o:p></o:p></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">jerry<o:p></o:p></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 15, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Emanuel Diamant
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear FISlists,<span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"> <span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">I am a newcomer to the FIS discussion table. The debate
that is going on in your list-exchange is very interesting to me, but
frankly, for the most of the time, I only guess about what you are talking –
my vocabulary and my notions of Information are quite different from yours.
Nevertheless, I would like to add my voice to the ongoing discourse – I
would like to direct you to my page on the Research Gate (<a title="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Emanuel_Diamant" href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Emanuel_Diamant"><span style="COLOR: #0563c1">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Emanuel_Diamant</span></a>)
to see my uploads from the last IS4IS Vienna Conference. Maybe you will find
them interesting.<span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"> <span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Emanuel Diamant.<span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
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