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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=΢ÈíÑźÚ>Dear<SPAN class=140304315-16062015>
</SPAN>Rafael£¬</FONT></DIV>
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lang=EN-US>Many Daoism contain some science thinking not only philosophy one in
ancient China</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ΢ÈíÑźÚ; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">£¬<SPAN
lang=EN-US>so my opinion is</SPAN>£º<SPAN lang=EN-US>¡°It from Bit¡± just
likes<SPAN class=140304315-16062015>¡°</SPAN>It from Taiji¡±or¡°It from Dao¡± in
certain degree ---- There are thousands of people <SPAN
class=140304315-16062015>who </SPAN>had been debating <SPAN
class=140304315-16062015>them</SPAN> for hundreds of years</SPAN>£¬<SPAN
lang=EN-US>no explicit<SPAN class=140304315-16062015> or </SPAN>consistent
answer can be given <SPAN class=140304315-16062015>even
</SPAN>today----<SPAN class=140304315-16062015> </SPAN>At present time, if FIS
colleagues always are involved in th<SPAN class=140304315-16062015>is</SPAN>
endless controversy, <SPAN
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> Rafael Capurro
[mailto:rafael@capurro.de] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 16, 2015 11:31
PM<BR><B>To:</B> yxs@pku.edu.cn<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fis] [Fwd: RE: It from
Bit redux . . . MODERATION] From Xueshan<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>Dear Xueshan Yan,<BR><BR>just for you: your thoughts
in information and DAO are very important as I told you (?) in Vienna.<BR>But
this is not an issue for scientists. It is a issue for philosophers,
poets...<BR>best<BR>Rafael<BR><BR></DIV>
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class=class1><FONT face=΢ÈíÑźÚ>That is all his private, there can't be many
people who agree<SPAN class=328230415-16062015> with</SPAN> that saying,
please just skip it! </FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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class=class1><FONT face=΢ÈíÑźÚ>Xueshan</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Francesco Rizzo<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 16, 2015
10:38 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Pedro C. Marijuan<BR><B>Cc:</B> fis<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [Fis] [Fwd: RE: It from Bit redux . . . MODERATION] From
Xueshan<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>Cari Tutti,
<DIV>la neg-entropia (energia libera o INFORMAZIONE in condizione di
dis-equilibrio improbabile) di "Che cos'¨¨ la vita? La cellula vivente dal
punto di vista fisico" di Erving Schrodinger e la "evaporazione" di
INFORMAZIONE di Stephan Hawking che compensa l'asimmetria tra entropia
interna (minore) e l'entropia esterna (maggiore) dei buchi neri dove le
mettiamo?</DIV>
<DIV>Scusate la domanda.</DIV>
<DIV>Francesco Rizzo</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=΢ÈíÑźÚ><SPAN>Dear Pedro, Joseph, John,
Krassimir, Rafael, and All,<BR><BR>Here I tell you some interesting stories
about ¡°It from Bit¡± in China.<BR><BR>Around the year of 2000, The Seminar of
Interdisciplinary Information Science of Peking University came into contact
for the first time with Wheeler¡¯s ¡°It from Bit¡±, in fact, earlier this
theory, we had just discussed Stonier¡¯s ¡°Information Physics¡± and had
consulted with the Dean of Physics School, his opinion was: The concept
ENTROPY is enough to physics, it is unnecessary to blunder in the fashion of
information for physicists. Of course, that was over fifteen years
ago.<BR><BR>We afterwards had been tracking this information problem in
Science of China History; So far, we found there are at least four doctrines
related to ¡°It from Bit¡±.<BR><BR>1. It from Taiji. Zhou Wenwang (Ji Chang),
see his book: ¡°The Book of Changes¡± (Yijing or Zhouyi), B.C. 1050;<BR>2. It
from Dao. Laozi. see his book: ¡°Tao Te Ching¡± (Daodejing), B.C. 500;<BR>3.
The world is composed of information. Xinxi Shen, see his book:
¡°Informatilism¡±, 2005;<BR>4. The world is informational. Jianghuo Wang, see
his book: ¡°Unified Information Theory¡±, 2012.<BR><BR>To my knowledge, the
last two authors had not contacted Wheeler¡¯s ¡°It from Bit¡±, that Ji Chang
and Laozi had no contacted with it is very obvious.<BR><BR>In all his
lifetime, Wheeler once visited China only one time in 1981, when he stayed
in China, he watched a Beijing Opera named ¡°Feng Ming Qi Shan¡±. When a
general hold a flag on which a large Chinese word appeared, he asked the
accompany that what is the meaning of that word, they told him its meaning
is NOTHING, he said excitedly: The answer what I am looking for desperately
all my life about the physical reality, your ancestors had originally given
thousands years ago. (see his book: ¡°Wheeler¡¯s Lectures on Physics and
Austerity¡±, 1982).<BR><BR>So far, on the argument of ¡°It from Bit¡±, we can
not prove it is correct, but can not prove it is wrong too.<BR><BR>Best
wishes,<BR><BR>Xueshan<BR>16:18, June 16, 2015<BR>Peking
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Hochschule der Medien (HdM), Stuttgart, Germany
Capurro Fiek Foundation for Information Ethics (<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.capurro-fiek-foundation.org">http://www.capurro-fiek-foundation.org</A>)
Distinguished Researcher at the African Centre of Excellence for Information Ethics (ACEIE), Department of Information Science, University of Pretoria, South Africa.
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