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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Not quite the same hierarchy, but similar:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It from bit is just information, which is fundamental, on Seth Lloyd’s computational view of nature. Paul Davies and some other physicists agree with this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Chemical information is negentropic, and hierarchical in most physiological systems.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Fis [mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stanley N Salthe<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 12, 2015 3:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> fis<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Pedro -- Your list:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"> physical, biological, social, and Informational</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">is implicitly a hierarchy -- in fact, a subsumptive hierarchy, with the physical subsuming the biological and the biological subsuming the social. But where should information appear? Following Wheeler, we
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">{informational {physicochemical {biological {social}}}}</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">STAN</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan <<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, Ken. I think your previous message and this one are drawing sort of the border-lines of the discussion. Achieving a comprehensive view on the interrelationship between computation and information is an essential matter. In my opinion,
and following the Vienna discussions, whenever life cycles are involved and meaningfully "touched", there is info; while the mere info circulation according to fixed rules and not impinging on any life-cycle relevant aspect, may be taken as computation. The
distinction between both may help to consider more clearly the relationship between the four great domains of sceince: physical, biological, social, and Informational. If we adopt a pan-computationalist stance, the information turn of societies, of bioinformation,
neuroinformation, etc. merely reduces to applying computer technologies. I think this would be a painful error, repeating the big mistake of 60s-70s, when people band-wagon to developed the sciences of the artificial and reduced the nascent info science to
library science. People like Alex Pentland (his "social physics" 2014) are again taking the wrong way... Anyhow, it was nicer talking face to face as we did in the past conference!<br>
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best ---Pedro<br>
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Ken Herold wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Sorry to have been too disruptive in my restarting discussion post--I did not intend to substitute for the Information Science thread an alternative way of philosophy or computing. The references I listed are indicative of some bad thinking as well as good
ideas to reflect upon. Our focus is information and I would like to hear how you might believe the formal relational scheme of Rosenbloom could be helpful?<br>
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Ken<br>
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Ken Herold<br>
Director, Library Information Systems<br>
Hamilton College<br>
198 College Hill Road<br>
Clinton, NY 13323<br>
<a href="tel:315-859-4487" target="_blank">315-859-4487</a><br>
<a href="mailto:kherold@hamilton.edu" target="_blank">kherold@hamilton.edu</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kherold@hamilton.edu" target="_blank">kherold@hamilton.edu</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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Pedro C. Marijuán<br>
Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group<br>
Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud<br>
Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)<br>
Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X<br>
50009 Zaragoza, Spain<br>
Tfno. <a href="tel:%2B34%20976%2071%203526" target="_blank">+34 976 71 3526</a> (& 6818)<br>
<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a><br>
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