<div dir="ltr">On further reflection, my remarks towards Dino were a theoretical clarification that bibliography and its putative extension beyond printed media _should_ be considered universal. In practice, bibliographic methods and bibliometrics are captive to our specific aims and methods--in this case we are properly reminded by Dino that all assumptions should be checked and that no data vizualizations are presumed to be complete without explicit description of the "problem area" being visualized. I do not go so far as Popper to suggest that the pre-visualization problem set is an independent world, but it is otherwise useful I think to conceptualize the dynamic (and only static by convenience) totality of real problem research activities as something, e.g. Floridi's infosphere, If the information science abstracted from librarianship and documentation tells us anything, our processing of what we term this totality as recorded knowledge or cultural heritage reflects its fragmentation as well as its robust creative potential. New categories and classifications follow new discoveries and rediscoveries and rethinking. As usual the boundaries are vague and I agree and suggest that something is always going on between disciplines. I further suggest that in fact a particular kind of intuition amounts to a cultural system, a topic I am presently writing on.<div><br></div><div>Cheers, Ken <div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Joseph Brenner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Dear All,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I agree with Rafael that there is an anti-realist
flavor to Popper's concept of problems. However, it indicates to me an intiution
that there is something important going on between disciplines. This is a
dynamic aspect which I feel is not captured by diagrams such as Loet's :-) in
which the connections between disciplines are represented by sets of
lines.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I would not be so hard as Dino on bibliometrics as
such, but I think that once classifications and maps have been established, it
is important to talk about where to go next.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Best wishes,</font></div><span><font color="#888888">
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Joseph</font> </div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 17, 2015 1:17 PM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [Fis] RV: THE FOURTH GREAT
DOMAIN OF SCIENCE: INFORMATIONAL? (R.Capurro)</div>
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<div style="DIRECTION:ltr"><font face="Tahoma" color="#000000" size="2"><b>De:</b> Rafael Capurro [<a href="mailto:rafael@capurro.de" target="_blank">rafael@capurro.de</a>]<br><b>Enviado el:</b>
sábado, 16 de mayo de 2015 9:34<br><b>Para:</b> PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN
FERNANDEZ<br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Fis] THE FOURTH GREAT DOMAIN OF SCIENCE:
INFORMATIONAL?<br></font><br></div>
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<blockquote type="cite">Karl Popper once suggested (Conjectures and
Refutations, p. 67) that we should not think in terms or "subject matter(s)"
or "disciplines" but in terms of "problems". Problems do not arise within a
fixed definition of a discipline ("essentialism") but within a tradition
where a theory is being discussed. In this sense, theories are in some sense
"disciplines" or can be conceived as "loose clusters" of theories. But
Popper speaks about a "world of problems in themselves" which is a kind of
Platonism not only because it separates such "problems in themselves" from
their connection to the world _as_ perceived (ie. interpreted) by humans,
but also because it creates a knowledge hierarchy by giving
theoretical knowledge a higher status than practical knowledge. Thirty years
ago (sic) I wrote some thoughts on this issue. See: <a href="http://www.capurro.de/trita.htm" target="_blank">http://www.capurro.de/trita.htm</a><br></blockquote><br>Rafael<br>
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<div>Rafael<br></div>
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<p dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"></font><font face="Arial" size="2"></font><font face="Arial" size="2"></font><font face="Arial" size="2"></font><font face="Arial" size="2"></font><font face="Arial" size="2"></font><font face="Arial" size="2"></font><font face="Arial" size="2"></font><font face="Arial" size="2"></font><font face="Arial" size="2"></font><font face="Arial" size="2"></font><font face="Arial" size="2"></font><br>It is important to say that Rosembloom suggested a new
way of seeing disciplines. For him, any discipline is composed by 4
great scientific domains (these domains are not disciplines). For
example: biophysics = L + P (chapter 2).<br>To be a great domain there
are requisites (chapter 6) and we defend that Informational is the 4th
scientific domain.<br>The problem is to verify (with bibliometrics) if
this is a good approach. I think Loet's method can be a very good to
make this verification.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Best,</p>
<p dir="ltr">Moisés André Nisenbaum<br>Enviado do meu tablet</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">Em 15/05/2015 12:43, "Dino Buzzetti" <<a href="mailto:dino.buzzetti@gmail.com" target="_blank">dino.buzzetti@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br type="attribution">
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<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-FAMILY:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">And what about history,
philosophy, philology and so on ? aren't they <br>sciences at
all ? what's the epistemological ground of your "classification"
<br></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-FAMILY:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">of sciences ? isn't
the absence of maths in the map a problem at all ? aren't
<br>biology, physics, computer science, and other natural sciences,
mentioned <br>in philosophy of science, history of science and so on
? is the history of <br>science an historian's or a natural
scientist's business ? do natural scientists <br>care about it
at all ? or isn't it anybody's concern the extension of
bibliometric <br>criteria to the evaluation of research in the domains
of history, philosophy, <br>and so on ?
<br></div>Best,
-dino buzzetti <br><br></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 15 May 2015 at 10:25, Loet Leydesdorff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net" target="_blank">loet@leydesdorff.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">Dear
Soren, </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">We
formulated at p. 591 of: Loet Leydesdorff, Stephen Carley, and
Ismael Rafols, <a href="http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1202/1202.1914.pdf" target="_blank">Global Maps of Science based on the new Web-of-Science
Categories, </a><i>Scientometrics</i> 94(2) (2013) 589-593; <<a href="http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11192-012-0784-8" target="_blank">open access</a>> [<a href="http://www.leydesdorff.net/overlaytoolkit/" target="_blank">software</a>], as follows: </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;COLOR:#44546a;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">“The
organization into these four groups (biomedical, physical,
environmental, and social sciences) is now provided as another
(optional) partition within the Pajek (.paj) file containing the
base map, and is also made available as input to
VOSviewer.”</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;COLOR:#44546a;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
partitioning into four and six domains was generated by my
co-authors. I prefer to use the 19 disciplines on the basis of
factor analysis of the matrix. However, one can ask for a
four-factor solution, and then one is free to designate the
factors.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">In
the figure below, I overlaid Pedro’s 23 publications included in WoS
in terms of these four major domains. Making such portfolio overlays
is the main purpose of the technique.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-ALIGN:center" align="center"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'"><img height="513" src="cid:7CD5B633D293461587F0C11B2BDA1C39@PCdeJoseph" width="1021" border="0"></span><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
nodes are sized with the log(n+1); n is the number of publications.
(The “+1” prevents single publications from
disappearing.)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">Best,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">Loet</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">PS.
This is my second mailing during this week. L.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">Loet
Leydesdorff </span><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">Emeritus</span></i><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">
University of Amsterdam<br>Amsterdam School of Communication
Research (ASCoR)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;COLOR:#44546a;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'"><a title="mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net" href="mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net" target="_blank"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt">loet@leydesdorff.net
</span></a></span><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">;
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;COLOR:#44546a;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'"><a title="http://www.leydesdorff.net/" href="http://www.leydesdorff.net/" target="_blank"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt">http://www.leydesdorff.net/</span></a></span><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">
<br></span><span style="FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">Honorary
Professor, </span><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;COLOR:#44546a;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'"><a href="http://www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/" target="_blank"><span style="FONT-SIZE:9pt">SPRU, </span></a></span><span style="FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">University
of Sussex; </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">Guest
Professor </span><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;COLOR:#44546a;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'"><a href="http://www.zju.edu.cn/english/" target="_blank"><span style="FONT-SIZE:9pt">Zhejiang Univ.</span></a></span><span style="FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">,
Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, </span><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;COLOR:#44546a;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'"><a href="http://www.istic.ac.cn/Eng/brief_en.html" target="_blank"><span style="FONT-SIZE:9pt">ISTIC, </span></a></span><span style="FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">Beijing;</span></p>
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