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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="3">Dear FISers,<o:p></o:p></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="3"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="3">Herewith I respond to late messages from several colleagues. I think they are pretty much interrelated.<o:p></o:p></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="3">First, from Chuan and Yixin, about the scope of intelligence science. In my view, the evolutionary dimension has been missing. No other kind of intelligence has existed until recent decades in this planet
except that one existing in living beings--humans and many other animals. Cells themselves manifest intelligence, as I have argued several times in this list. All kinds of natural intelligence are finally due to the coupling between nucleic acids and their
protein transcripts. Then the essential “goal” becomes evident, as the maintenance and reproduction of the living organism. Failure to achieve that, particularly in front of another intelligence striving for its own goal –against the former subject- means
but natural selection in action: disappearance of the subject. Intelligence derives from life and has to be checked by how it subserves life’s goals. Otherwise we leave “empty”, baseless, that very important goal aspect.<o:p></o:p></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="3">Our own intelligence, answering Joseph, often evaluates situations, problems, relationships, etc. by the concurrent action of two systems (echoing Daniel Kahneman): system 1, fast and dirty, highly emotionally
laden, and system 2, slow and reflective, implying the most rational capabilities. The former is closer to our deeper personal goals as living entities, a faithful transmitter of what we need inside, and the second acts as a sort of high-level, discursive,
logic intelligence. It is not easy integrating them plainly, but Poetry, I think, uses both in the most cohesive way, taking the best of both worlds –see the poems we have posted these days, and personally I find Machado’s poem rather astonishing vitally and
rationally. <o:p></o:p></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="3">Then, Josh's views about the information paradox, are not easy to confront. On the one side, I understand that he equates (or at least compares) it to the paradox of simultaneity between distinctive events
and their interrelationhips in mechanics. Koichiro Matsuno has posted about that paradox in this list, so I refrain to comment. But on the other side, when the paradox is essentially considered as addressed to significance in the organisms sense, I fail to
fully grasp it. Maybe it is because I see that very information paradox (beautiful term!) as that which occurs between self-production and communication with the environment by the agent. I have written recently about the “intertwining” of both aspects, but
I understand that Josh’s paradox only implies the communication aspect. If it is so, we are left in the first paragraph’s absence again, missing the essential goal of the informational, intelligent agent—its own life-cycle maintenance, the self-production
dimension… was I wrong in my understanding?<o:p></o:p></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="3">Greetings to Roulette, Dino, Dai, and other new colleagues in this nice discussion.<o:p></o:p></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="3">Regards to all—Pedro </font>
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<div id="divRpF241488" style="direction: ltr;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2" color="#000000"><b>De:</b> Fis [fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es] en nombre de 赵川 [zhaoc@cdut.edu.cn]<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> viernes, 27 de marzo de 2015 15:10<br>
<b>Para:</b> Roulette Wm. Smith, Ph.D.; Rafael Capurro; Joseph Brenner<br>
<b>Cc:</b> FIS论坛<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> [Fis] Chuan's reply11 - THE FRONTIERS OF INTELLIGENCE SCIENCE - unless reaches<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><a name="OLE_LINK7"></a><a name="OLE_LINK6"><span style=""><b style=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt"><font face="Calibri">Dear Roulette Wm. Smith , dear Joseph, Rafael, Pedro, and ALL,</font></span></b></span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span style=""><span style=""><b style=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt"><font face="Calibri"> </font></span></b></span></span></p>
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</span>After this week’s work I can have enough time to write one mail now. </font>
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</span>Dear Roulette, thanks for you mail with blessing and so many suggestions:</span><span lang="EN-US">
</span></span></span><span style=""><span style=""><span lang="EN-US" style="">common sense & aberrant common sense; critical thinking and intelligence(s) in worldwide cultures and languages,
<span style=""> </span>Subjunctive, biological issues, Kantian notions of the a priori and a posteriori, Lem's perspectives, and Ethnomethodologies. Yes, the pearls, the cut surfaces of diamond! I enjoy you said “critical thinking and intelligence(s) in worldwide
cultures and languages”. Parallel with “Subjunctive”your mentioned, we are study Symmetry phenomena in Chinese that abstract a common issue as Symmetry of Language. Rafael’s comment: Dr. Sukriti Ghosal: The Language of 'Gitanjali': the Paradoxical Matrix (in:
The Criterion, 2012) </span></span></span></font><a href="http://www.the-criterion.com/V3/n2/Sukriti.pdf" target="_blank"><font color="#800080"><font face="Calibri"><span style=""><span style=""><span lang="EN-US" style="">http://www.the-criterion.com/V3/n2/Sukriti.pdf</span></span></span><span style=""><span style=""></span></span></font></font></a><span style=""><span style=""><span lang="EN-US" style=""><font face="Calibri">”
that is fine. And let me connected it with our Symmetry of language study and gain more inspirations. Yes, worldwide culture, now it is echoes in Indian. As another example to such paradox here is a lines from Buddha:
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<pre style="line-height:19.25pt"><span style=""><span style=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.5pt"><font face="宋体">it is impossible to reach</font></span></span></span></pre>
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<span style=""><span style=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:宋体; color:black; font-size:11.5pt">but it is impossible to escape suffering</span></span></span></p>
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</span>unless one reaches</span></span></span></p>
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</span>Mihir Chakraborty for Peom-Island Morning Chant2014</span></span></span></p>
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</span>I am an adviser of a poetry association of students in our university, I organized a Poem-island</span></span></span><span style=""><span style=""><span lang="EN-US" style="">
</span></span></span></font><span style=""><span style=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:宋体; color:black">Morning
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</span></span></span><span style=""><span style=""><span lang="EN-US" style="">three years ago, and yesterday I open it of 2015, spring team. This is the words of encourage from an India Prof. Mihir Chakraborty sent for such an events. We consisted
<span style=""> </span>90days last spring team. Read Chinese ancient style poem, modern poems and English poems. Really has a Poem-Island in our campus.
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</span>Buddha’s paradox words are so powerful and really wisdom. Yes, Symmetry phenomena in Chinese and Gitanjali’s paradox Matrix are similar parallel manners of thinking and language. This is the point I should special explain soon. Thanks for Rafael’s comment,
just put together is precious, we should let some link together. Know you see: so many information/consciousness streams are interweaving – forming worldwide new culture.
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</span>More later. <span style=""> </span><span style=""> </span></font></span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span style=""><span style=""><b style=""><span lang="EN-US" style=""><font face="Calibri">best wishes, good weekend,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span style=""><span style=""><b style=""><span lang="EN-US" style=""><font face="Calibri">March 27, 2015</font></span></b></span></span><b style=""><span lang="EN-US"></span></b></p>
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