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<big>Dear Moises, Guy, Stan---and colleagues,<br>
<br>
I would not agree with the "silo" interpretation of scientific domains,
at least that's not the way Rosenbloom and many others (myself
included) understand them. See the reference mentioned below by Moises
and my own <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-US">(Scientomics:
An emergent perspective in knowledge
organization. Pedro C. Marijuán, Raquel del Moral and Jorge
Navarro. </span><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma;"
lang="EN-GB">Knowledge organization</span></i><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-GB">
2012, 39 (3), 153-164.) </span></font>About the subsumption hierarchy
that Stan introduces, in what extent is it a relevant trait?
Compositionally, the main objects of those big sciences conform to it,
but the disciplines themselves? I doubt. Besides, along that view a new
form of reductionism creeps in: "everything from bit". Hierarchy
between domains? Just a look at the background map of the sciences in
the figure below, empirically obtained from citations, shows an amazing
dispersion and inter-penetration of disciplines between the four Great
Domains. There appear hundreds of disciplines in the figure but the
overall tallying may escalate to several thousands (between 5,000 and
10,000 depending on the criteria). <br>
<br>
An interesting question: Why do we create such an astonishing number
of disciplines? Methodologically it is unclear that the creation,
growth and stagnation of disciplines respond to single logic criteria.
Rather, we have suggested a massive "social" communication between
disciplines that conduces to "recombination phenomena" of knowledge
bodies among them. For instance, influential bodies such as Euclidian
geometry, Newtonian mechanics, differential equations, genetics, and so
on (and a multitude of other minor modules), would have generated the
history of sciences, not only “developmentally” inside their own
fields, but even more “combinatorially”, propelling the
multidisciplinary evolution and cross-fertilization among scientific
disciplines. <br>
<br>
In the main track of the current discussion (It was nice hearing from
Koichiro!) we are establishing the boundaries or interfaces between the
nuclear information science and thermodynamics, but the relationship
with physics is far more complex, as we must establish the interfaces
with quantum information, physics of self-organization and emergence,
and with cosmological information too. It is impossible to mix together
all these discussions (as Terry remarked a few days ago concerning the
relationships with quantum information). In the extent to which some
of these particular discussions become particularly fertile, new fields
will emerge within the overlap of physics and information domains.<br>
<br>
Some comments in Rosenbloom's book on the relationship between
information and computing are quite interesting for this discussion and
for interlocking with the main discussion track... but this message is
becoming too long.<br>
<br>
All the best--Pedro</big><small><br>
</small><br>
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Moisés André Nisenbaum wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Guy.
<div>It seams that you sent your message only to me :-)</div>
<div>I am forwarding now to FIS</div>
<div>By the way, "Domain Analisys" as in Knowledge Organization
(Hjørland, Birger. "Domain analysis in information science: eleven
approaches–traditional as well as innovative." Journal of documentation
58.4 (2002): 422-462.) is also a good approach.<br>
</div>
<div>Best<br>
</div>
<div>Moises</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-21 18:24 GMT-02:00 Guy A Hoelzer <span
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hoelzer@unr.edu" target="_blank">hoelzer@unr.edu</a>></span>:<br>
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<div style="">Hi All,
<div><br>
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<div>“Domain” implies a kind of silo to me. Information science is
emerging with intensive interaction among people in a relatively small
community of colleagues, which is indeed silo-like even though we
generally see it as a deep layer of scientific inquiry that can unite
traditional domains. In other words, at least some of us would like to
see information science ultimately achieve recognition as an higher
order scientific enterprise within which (all?) scientific domains are
embedded. This hierarchical view is nicely captured with Stan’s
subsumptive hierarchy scheme:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>{information science {physics {chemistry {biology {social
sciences}}}}}</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Of course, this view also suggests that the scientific
disciplines within information science are not, or should not be,
domains, either. As an evolutionary biologist myself, that is exactly
the way I think about it. I would not say that biology exists outside
of chemistry or physics, and I see the social sciences as specialized
sub-disciplines of biology. The ‘domains of science’ illustration
reveals a degree of isolation between the traditional disciplines, but
I think those boundaries are breaking down over time and information
science could help to speed up the integration among disciplines. I,
for one, think that would represent scientific progress.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Guy</div>
<div><br>
<div>Guy Hoelzer, Associate Professor<br>
Department of Biology<br>
University of Nevada Reno<br>
<br>
Phone: <a href="tel:775-784-4860" value="+17757844860" target="_blank">775-784-4860</a><br>
Fax: <a href="tel:775-784-1302" value="+17757841302" target="_blank">775-784-1302</a><br>
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<div>On Jan 21, 2015, at 6:56 AM, Moisés André Nisenbaum <<a
href="mailto:moises.nisenbaum@ifrj.edu.br" target="_blank">moises.nisenbaum@ifrj.edu.br</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div>Pedro, this image is strongly related to my research.</div>
<div>My graduation and master degree was in Physics. But now I am
in IS world through PhD program of IBICT/UFRJ in Brazil.</div>
<div>As you, Jorge and Raquel said (Navarro, Moral, Marijuan,
2013), IS is about to become one of four great scientific domains.
Don't you think that one of the greatest reasons of it is the (big)
interdisciplinar nature of IS? (Saracevic, 1995). Interdisciplinarity
is in IS's "DNA" :-)</div>
<div>I am investigating some aspects of interdisciplinarity
between IS and Natural Sciences (Physics, Chemistry and Biology)
(inspired by Capurros's work
<a href="http://www.capurro.de/infoconcept.html" target="_blank">http://www.capurro.de/infoconcept.html</a>).</div>
<div>Some questions of this research are: 1) why (or how) a
natural scientist enters in IS world? What are their motivations?; 2)
how strong this interdisciplinarity is? (inspired by Loet's works on
the theme - for example, Leydesdorff, Rafols (2011)); 4) How the
physical concepts of information are present in IS articles.</div>
<div>I believe that inside FIS I will find many answers to my
questions. By observation of Scientific Communication and Bibliometrics
and of course, if I have the opportunity, by interviewing the members
of FIS :-)</div>
<div>I can say that in only few weeks of FIS I already have
learned a lot :-)</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div>Moises.</div>
</span>
<div><span class="">
<div><br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>Navarro, J.; Moral, R; Marijuan, P; Uprising of the
Informational: Towards a New Way of Thinking In Information Science.
Proceedings of the 1st International Conference on Philosophy of
Information, Xi'an (2013)</div>
<div>Saracevic, Tefko. "Interdisciplinary nature of information
science." Ciência da informação 24.1 (1995): 36-41.<br>
</div>
<div>Leydesdorff, Loet, and Ismael Rafols. "Indicators of the
interdisciplinarity of journals: Diversity, centrality, and citations."
Journal of Informetrics 5.1 (2011): 87-100.<br>
</div>
</span>
<div><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">2015-01-19 10:19
GMT-02:00 Pedro C. Marijuan <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>></span>:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"><span class="">Thanks
Moises, here it is --in case the list server suppresses the image
again, the dropbox link below contains the image too (at the end of the
philoinfo paper, belonging to the Proceedings of the Xian Conference,
2013). best ---Pedro<br>
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<a
href="https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wslnk41c3lquc55/AADpm_U6xuhm6jHK0esyN-29a?dl=0"
target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wslnk41c3lquc55/AADpm_U6xuhm6jHK0esyN-29a?dl=0</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><b><span
style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-US">Figure 1. The Four Great
Domains of Science</span></b><span style="font-family: Arial;"
lang="EN-US">. The graphic shows the network of contemporary
disciplines in the background (following Bollen <i>et al</i>., 2009);
while the superimposed “four-leaf clover” represents the four great
scientific domains: physical, biological, social, and informational.</span></p>
<span><br>
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Moisés André Nisenbaum wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">Hi, Pedro.
<div>I didnt receive th image (Figure 1. The Four Great
Domains of Science)</div>
<div>Would you please send it again?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Moises</div>
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