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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Several of you have asked recently for
a description of Logic in Reality (LIR) that is more accessible that what I
have written. Thank you for that. Let me respond by simply saying here that LIR
is a logic of /change/, better of change and stability, non-change. The basic
concept is that all complex processes or states-of-affairs have two major
components in an antagonistic or contradictorial relation. If one
component predominates, is more actual or actualized, the other is
less dominant, is potential or potentialized. It is possible to refer to the
states of these elements in terms of non-standard probabilities, thus going one
step further than just description :-). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To refer to Loet's examples, brain, culture and
economy, LIR would say that antagonistic processes in the brain, not a model of
the brain, are isomorphic to processes in culture and the economy in that the
same movement from actual to potential, and potential to actual and to emergence
of new entities takes place in all of them. The reason LIR is a logic and not
physics or biology is that it permits inferences to be made about the direction
of development of such processes. It is thus most interesting to read that there
is also an heuristic movement between domains in Loet's approach.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The relation to information, from my perspective,
is that information-as-process is now recognized as a complex of two elements,
one obviously energetic, the substrate or carrier and its 'meaning', which is
less obviously energy in some form. I suggest that the problem is how to
understand 'meaning'. One should perhaps also talk of 'meaning-as-process' - the
experience of meaning in a human interpreter - which clearly involves physical
processes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would be glad to answer further questions,
especially if they refer specifically to the relation of LIR and information, on
which I have two or three papers easily accessible on-line in
<EM>Information.</EM></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joseph</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=loet@leydesdorff.net href="mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net">Loet
Leydesdorff</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=steven@iase.us
href="mailto:steven@iase.us">'Steven Ericsson-Zenith'</A> ; <A
title=fis@listas.unizar.es href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">'fis'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:53
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fis]
Information-as-Process</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Dear
Steven and colleagues, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
did not (yet) study your approach. Is there a paper that can be read as an
introduction?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">It
seems to me that one can distinguish between formal and substantial theories
of information. Shannon’s mathematical theory is a formal apparatus: the
design and the results do not yet have meaning without an interpretation in a
substantial context. On the other side, a theory about, for example,
neuro-information is a special theory. One can in this context use information
theory as a statistical tool (among other tools). Sometimes, one can move
beyond description. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
advantage of information theory, from this perspective of special theories, is
that the formal apparatus allows us sometimes to move between domains
heuristically. For example, a model of the brain can perhaps be used
metaphorically for culture or the economy (or vice versa). The advantages have
to be shown in empirical research: which questions can be addressed and which
puzzles be solved?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Best,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Loet<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Loet
Leydesdorff <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Emeritus</SPAN></I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">
University of Amsterdam<BR>Amsterdam School of Communications Research
(ASCoR)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A
title=mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net href="mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">loet@leydesdorff.net </SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">;
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A
title=http://www.leydesdorff.net/ href="http://www.leydesdorff.net/"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">http://www.leydesdorff.net/</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">
<BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Honorary
Professor, </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A
href="http://www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">SPRU,
</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">University
of Sussex; <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Guest
Professor </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A
href="http://www.zju.edu.cn/english/"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Zhejiang
Univ.</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">,
Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A
href="http://www.istic.ac.cn/Eng/brief_en.html"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">ISTIC, </SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Beijing;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Visiting
Professor, </SPAN><A name=_GoBack></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A
href="http://www.bbk.ac.uk/"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Birkbeck</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">,
University of London; <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A
href="http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYAAAAJ&hl=en"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYAAAAJ&hl=en</SPAN></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">
stevenzenith@gmail.com [mailto:stevenzenith@gmail.com] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Steven Ericsson-Zenith<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:13
PM<BR><B>To:</B> loet@leydesdorff.net<BR><B>Cc:</B> Joseph Brenner;
fis<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fis] Information-as-Process<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The problem with this
approach (and approaches like it) is that it is descriptive and not
explanatory. The distribution of the shape, in my model, can be described,
perhaps, but the process or action decision point and response covariance is
impossible to consider. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">It is for this reason that I
use holomorphic functors and hyper-functors in which I can express the
explicit role of a base universal (per gravitation).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Nor is it clear to me that
this is what Joe referred to as "information as
process."<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Loet Leydesdorff <<A
href="mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net" target=_blank>loet@leydesdorff.net</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Dear
colleagues, </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Shannon’s
information theory can be considered as a calculus because it allows for the
dynamic extension. Theil (1972)—Statistical decomposition analysis (North
Holland)—distinguished between static and dynamic information measures. In
addition to Shannon’s statical H, one can write: </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">
</SPAN><IMG id=Picture_x0020_1 height=31
alt=cid:image001.png@01D0144D.7CCCAC90
src="cid:E9CE4AB6C32940B4966928738845E2EE@PCdeJoseph" width=166
border=0><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">in
which </SPAN><IMG id=Picture_x0020_2 height=27
alt=cid:image002.png@01D0144D.7CCCAC90
src="cid:8220464BAB424E22AE4663A7DBB5FF53@PCdeJoseph" width=47
border=0><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">can
be considered as the a posteriori and </SPAN><IMG id=Picture_x0020_3
height=27 alt=cid:image003.png@01D0144D.7CCCAC90
src="cid:7DA47C2670894D9D8738B6E175263EBF@PCdeJoseph" width=47
border=0><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">the
a priori distribution. This dynamic information measure can be decomposed
and aggregated. One can also develop measures for systemic developments and
critical transitions. In other words, information as a process can also be
measured in bits of information. Of course, one can extend the
dimensionality (<I>i</I>) for the multivariate case (<I>ijk</I>…), and thus
use information theory for network analysis (including
time).</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Best,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Loet</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">References:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in"><A name=14a2db489ee6e0c6__ENREF_1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol">·</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: #1f497d">
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Leydesdorff,
L. (1991). The Static and Dynamic Analysis of Network Data Using Information
Theory. <I>Social Networks, 13</I>(4), 301-345. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in"><A name=14a2db489ee6e0c6__ENREF_3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol">·</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: #1f497d">
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Theil,
H. (1972). <I>Statistical Decomposition Analysis</I>. Amsterdam/ London:
North-Holland.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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Leydesdorff </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Emeritus</SPAN></I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">
University of Amsterdam<BR>Amsterdam School of Communications Research
(ASCoR)</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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title=mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net href="mailto:loet@leydesdorff.net"
target=_blank><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">loet@leydesdorff.net
</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
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</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A
title=http://www.leydesdorff.net/ href="http://www.leydesdorff.net/"
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<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> Fis [mailto:<A
href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es"
target=_blank>fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Steven
Ericsson-Zenith<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 08, 2014 10:22
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Joseph Brenner<BR><B>Cc:</B> fis<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Fis] Information-as-Process</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">I am a little
mystified by your assertion of "information as process." What, exactly, is
this and how does it differ fro information in general (Shannon). Is it
related to Whitehead's process notions?<o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">In terms of
neuroscience it is important to move away from connectionism and modern
computational ideas I believe. It is not clear to me how information theory
can be applied to the operation of the brain at the synaptic level because
the actions and the decisions made are made across the structure and not at
a single location. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Recognition,
for example, is not a point event but occurs rather when a particular shape
is formed in the structure (of the CNS, for example) and is immediately
covariant with the "appropriate" response (another shape) which may be
characterized as a hyper-functor (which may or may not include neurons and
astrocytes in the brain).<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">On Fri, Dec 5,
2014 at 4:39 AM, Joseph Brenner <<A href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch"
target=_blank>joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</A>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto">Dear Carolina,
Bob L., Bob U., Sören and Krassimir,<BR><BR>First of all thanks to
Carolina for having launched a most interesting thread, of which I have
changed the title since the issues are broader than that of
Neuroinformation alone, as Francesco has noted.<BR><BR>My first point is a
response to Sören since I feel his book does not address
Information-as-Process as 'physically' as I think necessary. His reference
to the use of this term by Buckland (on p. 77 not 87), (which I had missed
when first reading /Cybersemiotics/), however, is followed by a reference
to information processing. (He later states that a new metatheory is
required to replace the information processing paradigm, and he proposes
Peircean semiotics, whereas I have proposed Logic in Reality.) I also note
that Buckland places Information-as-Process in the 'Intangible' column of
his matrix and one can question the ontological meaning of this.<BR><BR>In
the compendium /Philosophers of Process/. 1998. Browning and Myers (eds.).
New York: Fordham University Press, Peirce is represented by four papers:
"The Architecture of Theories", "The Doctrine of Necessity Examined", "The
Law of Mind" and "Man's Glassy Essence". Unfortunately, in none of
these is the word 'process' used, let alone described as a concept.
'Process' is not an entry in the COMMENS Digital Companion to C. S.
Peirce, edited by Bergman and Paavola, so the most one can say is that
process was not a common concept in Peirce. If Information-as-Process is
to be developed as a concept, I doubt that Peirce's semiotics will
help.<BR><BR>In the notes of both Bob. L and Bob U., however, one finds
workable properties than can be assigned to Information-as-Process, the
verb-noun dialectic and the concept of real trophic exchange. Krassimir's
concept of information being dynamic (a process) or static depending on
what it reflects does not give as complete a notion as I would like that
information is /in-itself/ a process, even it reflects (refers to) static
or abstract objects. Nevertheless, Krassimir clearly sees the dualism of
information as composed of dynamic and static entities, whose interaction,
as in the case of the first two approaches, can be discussed in the
framework of Logic in Reality. The problem is his use of the term
'reflection' whose nature is not clear as I have remarked to him
before.<BR><BR>I look forward to further discussion.<BR><BR>Best
wishes,<BR><BR>Joseph<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert E. Ulanowicz" <<A href="mailto:ulan@umces.edu"
target=_blank>ulan@umces.edu</A>><BR>To: "Carolina Isiegas" <<A
href="mailto:cisiegas@gmail.com"
target=_blank>cisiegas@gmail.com</A>><BR>Cc: <<A
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"
target=_blank>fis@listas.unizar.es</A>><BR>Sent: Wednesday, December
03, 2014 6:30 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Fis] Neuroinformation?<BR><BR><BR>Dear
Dr. Isiegas:<BR><BR>I envision neuroinformation as the mutual information
of the neuronal<BR>network where synaptic connections are weighted by the
frequencies of<BR>discharge between all pairs of neurons. This is directly
analogous to a<BR>network of trophic exchanges among an ecosystem, as
illustrated in<BR><<A
href="http://people.biology.ufl.edu/ulan/pubs/SymmOvhd.PDF"
target=_blank>http://people.biology.ufl.edu/ulan/pubs/SymmOvhd.PDF</A>>.<BR><BR>Please
note that this measure is different from the
conventional<BR>sender-channel-receiver format of communications theory.
It resembles more<BR>the "structural information" inhering in the neuronal
network. John<BR>Collier (also a FISer) calls such information
"enformation" to draw<BR>attention to its different nature.<BR><BR>With
best wishes for success,<BR><BR>Bob Ulanowicz<o:p></o:p></P>
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list,<BR><BR> I have been reading during the last year all
these interesting<BR>exchanges. Some of them terrific discussions! Given
my scientific<BR>backgound<BR>(Molecular Neuroscience), I would like to
hear your point of view on the<BR>topic of neuroinformation, how
information "exists" within the Central<BR>Nervous Systems. My task was
experimental; I was interested in<BR>investigating the molecular
mechanisms underlying learning and memory,<BR>specifically, the role of
the cAMP-PKA-CREB signaling pathway in such<BR>brain<BR>functions (In
Ted Abel´s Lab at the University of Pennsylvania, where I<BR>spent 7
years). I generated several genetically modified mice in which
I<BR>could regulate the expression of this pathway in specific brain
regions<BR>and<BR>in which I studied the effects of upregulation or
downregulation at the<BR>synaptic and behavioral levels. However, I am
conscious that the<BR>"information flow" within the mouse Nervous System
is far more complex<BR>that<BR>in the "simple" pathway that I was
studying...so, my concrete question for<BR>you "Fishers" or "Fisers",
how should we contemplate the micro and macro<BR>structures of
information within the neural realm? what
is<BR>Neuroinformation?<BR><BR>Best wishes,<BR><BR><BR>--<BR>Carolina
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