<div dir="ltr">Cari Tutti,<div>Krassimir Markov ha ragione. L'informazione è un processo spazio-temporale statico-dinamico. Un'opera d'arte o un bene culturale è nello stesso tempo informato e informatore.Per questo è meglio parlare di tras-informazione. La Neuroinformation è la più alta e completa forma di tras-informazione emo-ra-zionale (intelligenza razionale e intelligenza emotiva). Essa si articola in : significazione, informazione, comunicazione. Triade semiotica indispensabile per comprendere e interpretare ogni esistenza e ogni conoscenza del mondo fisico, psichico e metafisico. Qualunque scienza naturale o umana o sociale non può farne a meno.</div><div>Grazie e auguri per Carolina Isiegas.</div><div>Francesco Rizzo.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-12-04 15:57 GMT+01:00 Krassimir Markov <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:markov@foibg.com" target="_blank">markov@foibg.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div><font size="4">Dear Bob,</font></div>
<div><font size="4">I think, there is no conflict between two points of view –
information may be a process and it may be a static depending of what kind of
reflection it is.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">For instance, we reflect the world around:</font></div>
<div><font size="4">- as static - by photos, art images, sculptures, etc.;
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<div><font size="4">- as dynamic - by movies, theater plays, ballet, etc.;
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<div><font size="4">- and, at the end, by both types – by static text which
creates dynamical imaginations in our consciousness.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Friendly regards</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Krassimir</font></div>
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<div><font size="4">PS: This is my second post for this week. So, I say: Goodbye
to the next one!</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="logan@physics.utoronto.ca" href="mailto:logan@physics.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">Bob Logan</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 04, 2014 3:54 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">Joseph Brenner</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="fis@listas.unizar.es" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis@listas.unizar.es</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] Neuroinformation?</div></div></div>
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all - I support Joseph's remarks and would suggest that information in general
is a process that unfortunately is formulated as a noun. Inspired by Bucky
Fuller's I think I am a verb I suggest that "Information is a verb" It is a verb
because it describes a process. Although that solves one problem we need to be
able to describe a set of signs that have the potential to initiate the process
of informing through interpretation. I would not suggest we create another word
but recognize that the word information has many meanings and that when it is
describing a process it has a verb-like quality to it and when it describes a
set of sign that have the potential to be interpreted and hence become
information it is acting as a noun. I would also suggest that a simple
definition of the term information is not possible because its meaning is so
context dependent. This is true of all words but even more so for information.
For those that agree with my sentiments the above is information and for those
that do not it is nonsense. My best wishes to both groups, Bob Logan<br>
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<div>On 2014-12-04, at 6:40 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote:</div><br>
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<div>Dear Dr. Isiegas,<br><br>I will add my support to the extended concept of
information that inheres in the work of Robert Ulanowicz and John Collier. I
would just add that I like to call it information-as-process, to call
attention to its 'structure' being dynamic, with individual neurones involved
in a cyclic (better spiral or sinusoidal) movement between states of
activation and inhibition. I have ascribed an extension of logic to this form
of alternating actual and potential states in complex processes at all levels
of reality.<br><br>Best wishes,<br><br>Joseph B.<br><br>----- Original Message
----- From: "Robert E. Ulanowicz" <<a href="mailto:ulan@umces.edu" target="_blank">ulan@umces.edu</a>><br>To: "Carolina Isiegas"
<<a href="mailto:cisiegas@gmail.com" target="_blank">cisiegas@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc:
<<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>><br>Sent:
Wednesday, December 03, 2014 6:30 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Fis]
Neuroinformation?<br><br><br>Dear Dr. Isiegas:<br><br>I envision
neuroinformation as the mutual information of the neuronal<br>network where
synaptic connections are weighted by the frequencies of<br>discharge between
all pairs of neurons. This is directly analogous to a<br>network of trophic
exchanges among an ecosystem, as illustrated in<br><<a href="http://people.biology.ufl.edu/ulan/pubs/SymmOvhd.PDF" target="_blank">http://people.biology.ufl.edu/ulan/pubs/SymmOvhd.PDF</a>>.<br><br>Please
note that this measure is different from the
conventional<br>sender-channel-receiver format of communications theory. It
resembles more<br>the "structural information" inhering in the neuronal
network. John<br>Collier (also a FISer) calls such information "enformation"
to draw<br>attention to its different nature.<br><br>With best wishes for
success,<br><br>Bob Ulanowicz<br><br>
<blockquote type="cite">Dear list,<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"> I have been reading during the last
year all these interesting<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">exchanges. Some of them terrific discussions! Given
my scientific<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">backgound<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">(Molecular Neuroscience), I would like to hear your
point of view on the<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">topic of neuroinformation, how information "exists"
within the Central<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Nervous Systems. My task was experimental; I was
interested in<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">investigating the molecular mechanisms underlying
learning and memory,<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">specifically, the role of the cAMP-PKA-CREB
signaling pathway in such<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">brain<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">functions (In Ted Abel´s Lab at the University of
Pennsylvania, where I<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">spent 7 years). I generated several genetically
modified mice in which I<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">could regulate the expression of this pathway in
specific brain regions<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">and<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">in which I studied the effects of upregulation or
downregulation at the<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">synaptic and behavioral levels. However, I am
conscious that the<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">"information flow" within the mouse Nervous System
is far more complex<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">that<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">in the "simple" pathway that I was studying...so, my
concrete question for<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">you "Fishers" or "Fisers", how should we contemplate
the micro and macro<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">structures of information within the neural realm?
what is<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Neuroinformation?<br></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">Best wishes,<br></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Carolina Isiegas<br></blockquote>
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