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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Karl,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I welcome the intent of your Workshop to deal with real
contradictions but I have some doubts that combinatorics by itself suffices.
</FONT><FONT face=Arial>Earlier, you wrote:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Therefore, no methodology has evolved of appeasing, soothing,
compromise-building among equally valid logical statements that contradict each
other.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>However, I would like to call your attention again to the
fact that such a logic and methodology exist, which I have designated as Logic
in Reality (LIR). LIR is non-linguistic and non-truth-functional, grounded in
the physics of our world, and can in principle do what you would like to
do.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The reason I say 'in principle' is that the fact that
neither standard, binary logics nor paraconsistent logics can properly handle
real phenomena does not guarantee that one based on or describing 'sequences' or
simple permutations is capable of capturing the contradictorial characteristics
of complex processes, <EM>e.g. </EM>information. It is worth discussion but
then the implications of Logic in Reality - the logic of the included third term
of Stéphane Lupasco and his Principle of Dynamic Opposition - are
also.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I think it is not so clear how to understand 'the logical
contradictions that exist' outside the linguistic or mathematical domain.
It might be useful (suggestion) to start out by discussing what the options here
are.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Joseph</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=karl.javorszky@gmail.com href="mailto:karl.javorszky@gmail.com">Karl
Javorszky</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=marchal@ulb.ac.be
href="mailto:marchal@ulb.ac.be">Bruno Marchal</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=fis@listas.unizar.es
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis Science</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:50
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fis] FIS 2015, Workshop on
Combinatorics of Genetics,Fundamentals</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>The workshop goes far deeper than the
excellent remarks raised by Bruno discuss. We try to make the participants
understand that the workshop deals with <B>contradictions, </B>not
para-consistent or inconsistent variants of logic.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>The subject is elementary in such a
degree, that participants run the risk of not seeing the forest for the trees.
Let me offer a very simple example:</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>In your class at University there are 20
students. Each student has 1 first name and 1 family name. For official,
administrative reasons, you have to work the list down according to the family
name. This is the sequence A (for Administrative). Here, Arthur Treehouse
comes <I>after </I>Christopher Bellini. Then you have a list for your own use,
where you remember the first name of the students and have them in your
phonebook according to their first name. This is the sequence P (for Private).
Here, John Napolitano comes <I>before </I>Susan Ardenne. (Please expand the
example until the problem becomes obvious. In the workshop we shall work it
out in detail, encouraging collaboration.)</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>Both sequences A and P have been achieved
by repetitive applications of the operator “<”, well known from elementary
arithmetic. The logical operators {<|=|>} are a part of logic. Their
application should be free of contradictions.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>Here, we see that the application of the
logical operator “<” on sets yields <B>contradicting </B>results.
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>The workshop will address the methodology
of consolidating logical contradictions. To this end we shall look more in
detail into, <I>how</I> sequence contradictions are resolved. The fact,
<I>that </I>logical contradictions exist and are easily demonstrable has been
shown, therefore we shall not discuss it any more.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>As a preparation, one may want to ask
his/her students to line up a) once according to family name and b) once
according to first name; c) each student shall note in both cases the
sequential number of his place, d) compare the two numbers, e) if these do not
agree, decide, which is his “right” place, f) if he cannot do so, go to the
alternative place, g) observe, whether the person who is on his alternative
place will exchange place with him directly, h) if not, observe, how many
students have to change places, i) compare the number of exchanges within a
closed loop.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>After these exercises, one may want to
discuss the concept of something called a “quantum”, which could be
interpreted as an elementary unit of being dis-allocated (maybe
[stepskilogrammdistance]).</SPAN></P>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>Let me repeat, the subject the workshop
invites the participants to direct their attention to is way more fundamental
than the level of “language semantics”, “mind-body problem” or “origin of
beliefs”. <BR></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>Karl<BR></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>2014-10-22 15:59 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:marchal@ulb.ac.be"
target=_blank>marchal@ulb.ac.be</A>></SPAN>:<BR>
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<DIV>On 20 Oct 2014, at 13:44, Karl Javorszky wrote:</DIV><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>Workshop on the Combinatorics of
Genetics, Fundamentals</SPAN></P>
<DIV><SPAN lang=EN-US></SPAN><BR> </DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>In order to prepare for a fruitful,
satisfying and rewarding workshop in Vienna, let me offer to potential
participants the following main innovations in the field of formal logic
and arithmetic:</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><SPAN><BR></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><SPAN>1)<SPAN
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>Consolidating
contradictions:</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>The idea of contradicting logical
statements is traditionally alien to the system of thoughts that is
mathematics. Therefore, no methodology has evolved of appeasing, soothing,
compromise-building among equally valid logical statements that contradict
each other. In this regard, mathematical logic is far less advanced than
diplomacy, psychology, commercial claims regulation or military science,
in which fields the existence of conflicts is a given. The workshop
centers around the methodology of fulfilling contradicting logical
requirements that co- exist.</SPAN></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>I am not entirely convinced. I think that para-consistent logic are
interesting for natural language semantics, but I think that in the
fundamentals, the consistency of inconsistency, guarantied by Gödel's second
incompleteness theorem is enough. It explains also why a machine cannot know
which computations supported it, and this explains where the information
comes from (it comes from our relative distribution in a tiny part of the
arithmetical reality). This reduces also the mind-body problem to a problem
of justifying the origin of the beliefs in physical laws from elementary
arithmetic, and partial solutions have been obtained (you can consult my
consult my URL below for some references). In particular we can explain why
the world looks boolean above our computationalist substitution level, and
why it looks quantum logical below. </DIV>
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<DIV>Best regards,</DIV>
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<DIV>Bruno</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><SPAN><BR></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><SPAN>2)<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>Concept of Order</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>We show that the pointed opposition
between readings of a set once as a sequenced one and once as a
commutative one is similar to the discussion, whether a Table of the
Rorschach test depicts a still-life under water or rather fireworks in
Paris. The incompatibility between sequenced and commutative
(contemporaneous) is provided by our sensory apparatus: in fact, a set is
readable both as a sequenced collection and as a collection of commutative
symbols. We abstract from the two sentences “Set A is in a sequential
order” and “Set A is a commutatively ordered one” into the sentence “Set A
is in order”.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>The workshop introduces the idea and
the technique of sequential enumeration (aka “sorting”) of elements of a
set, calling the result “order”, and shows that different sorting orders
may bring forth contradicting assignments of places to one and the same
element, resp. contradicting assignments of elements to one and the same
place.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><SPAN><BR></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><SPAN>3)<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>The duration of the transient
state</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>We put forward the motion, that it is
reasonable to assume that a set is normally in a state of permanent change
– as opposed to the traditional view, wherein a set, once well defined,
stays put and idle, remaining such as defined. The idea is that there are
always alternatives to whichever order one looks into a set, therefore it
is reasonable to assume that the set is in a state of permanent
adjustment. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>We look in great detail into the
mechanics of transition between Order αβ and Order γδ, and show that the
number of tics until the transition is achieved is only in the rarest of
cases uniform, therefore partial transformations and half-baked results
are the ordre du jour.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><SPAN><BR></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><SPAN>4)<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>Standard transitions and spatial
structures</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>The rare cases where a translation
from Order αβ into Order γδ happens in lock-step are quite well suited to
serve as units of dis-allocation, being of uniform properties with respect
to a numeric quality which could well be called an extent for “mass”.
</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>These cases allow assembling two
3-dimensional spatial structures with well-defined axes. The twice 3 axes
can even be merged into one, consolidated space with 3 common axes, the
price of the consolidation being that every 1-dimensional statement has in
this case 4 variants. The findings allow supporting Minkowski’s ideas and
also some contemplation about 3 sub-statements consisting of 1-of-4
variants, as used by Nature while registering genetic information in a
purely sequenced fashion.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><SPAN><BR></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><SPAN>5)<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>Size optimization and asynchronicity
questions</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>The set is the same, whether we read
it consecutively or transversally. The readings differ. We show that the
functions of logical relations’ density per unit resp. unit fragment size
per logical relation are intertwined, making a change between the
representations of order as unit and as logical relation a matter of
accounting artistry. (“If I want more matter, I say that I see 66
commutative units; if I want more information, I say that I see 11
sequences of 6 units.”)</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>The phlogiston (or divine will)
fueling the mechanism appears to be the synchronicity of steps of order
consolidation happening. Using the concept of a-synchronicity we can
understand that we can, for reasons of epistemology, perceive only that
what is asynchronous, and as a corollary to this, perceive not that what
is synchron, which we have reason to call dark matter or dark
energy.</SPAN></P>
<DIV><SPAN lang=EN-US></SPAN><BR> </DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>These are the main ideas to be
presented at the FIS meeting 2015. Hopefully, the main event, dealing with
Society’s answer to change in fundamental concepts of information, will
find the proceedings revolutionary enough to merit observation from close
quarters.</SPAN></P>
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