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<DIV><FONT size=4>Dear Jerry and Colleagues,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Thank you for the interesting comments.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span style="size: 4" size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span>Yes, the physical, material concept of order is the
empirical ground for enumerations of physical chemistry.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span style="size: 4" size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span style="size: 4" size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span>But only on the human level, on the level of science,
which is a kind of reflection of reality.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span style="size: 4" size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span>I.e. we have quadruple where Information subject is a
very complex social system (science) and the other entities of the quadruple are
complex, too.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span style="size: 4" size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span style="size: 4" size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span>Let remember the example – Carbon has the physical world
definition of "6" – what means this?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span style="size: 4" size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span>For the not specialists this has no meaning – they need
evidence what it reflects, at least corresponded definition.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span style="size: 4" size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span>I.e. one needs to configure the quadruple to receive any
information.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span style="size: 4" size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span style="size: 4" size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span>Friendly regards</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span style="size: 4" size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span>Krassimir</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jerry_lr_chandler@me.com
href="mailto:jerry_lr_chandler@me.com">Jerry LR Chandler</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 21, 2014 10:34 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=fis@listas.unizar.es
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">FIS Information Science</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=markov@foibg.com
href="mailto:markov@foibg.com">Krassimir Markov</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fis] Re to Pridi: infinite bandwith and finite
informationcontent - Information content of Atomic Numbers</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 19px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT size=4>List,
Krassimir:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 19px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT
size=4><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 19px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT size=4>(I have posted
Krassimir's response below, since it may not have been distributed to the
list.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
size=4><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4>My
question was not a metaphysical question about materiality, my body and other
such philosophical question of import.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
size=4><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4>Rather, it
is direct question about the sufficiency of the rhetoric of the proposal to
define a theory of information.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
size=4><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4>The
response saids:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 19px">"Atom has no number in the
reality, it has one in any information quadruple."</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 19px"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 19px">The physical, material concept of
order is the empirical ground for enumerations of physical
chemistry.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 19px"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px">The concept of "atomic number" is central to elemental
quantum mechanics as well as atomic table of elements as well as molecular
biology and of course, the practice of medicine itself.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px"><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px">To assert that "</SPAN><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px">Atom has no number in the reality" is a denial of
physical reality, is it not?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px"><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px">By logical extension,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px">if "</SPAN><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px">Atom has no number in the reality", then the material
world has no reality.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px">And:</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px">If </SPAN><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px">the material world has no reality, </SPAN><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 19px">the proposed definition of
"information" is self-contradictory.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px"><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px">This suggests to me that the proposed definition may
need to altered to avoid the implication of self-contradiction.</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 19px"><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px">Cheers</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px"><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px">Jerry</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px"><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 19px"><BR></SPAN></DIV>
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size=4><BR></FONT></DIV>
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size=4><BR></FONT></DIV>
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size=4><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 19px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT size=4>Dear
Jery,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 19px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT
size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 19px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT size=4>Thank you for
interesting remark.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 19px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT
size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 19px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT size=4>Physical world
means all material reality.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 19px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT size=4>A special case
of it are living creatures.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 19px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT size=4><FONT
style="size: 4px"></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 19px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT style="size: 4px">Your
example is good for discussion – somewhere the Rutherford/Moseley experiments
had been reflected to be further analyzed, i.e. we have information quadruple
including scientists who assign atomic numbers. Atom has no number in the
reality, it has one in any information quadruple. Of course, here we have very
long chain of reflections and corresponded quadruples.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 19px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT
style="size: 4px"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 19px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT size=4><FONT
style="size: 4px">Ideal entities are reflections (information) in our brain and
are so material as we are. This is long story about information models ...
including your example ...</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 19px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT
size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 19px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT size=4>Friendly
regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 19px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><FONT
size=4>Krassimir</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>On Jul 21, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote:</DIV><BR
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style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space">List,
Karassimir:
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<DIV>I found your definition of information to be a bit confusing because the
language is a bit ambiguous to me.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>While the definitions of the quadruple "make sense" from a rhetorical
sense, one notion that is missing is the concept of what is the meaning of
the central reference term: "physical world".</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>For example, please show how for your definition information works for
the electrical nature of the carbon atom as defined by the Rutherford/Moseley
experiments, which form the base of the atomic numbers. (Carbon has the
physical world definition of "6".) How would this information be
symbolized?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>In other words, how does the concept of "quantity" enter into your
definition?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cheers</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jerry</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Jul 21, 2014, at 4:40 AM, Krassimir Markov wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>Dear Pridi,</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>An accordance with my understanding:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>In physical world there exist only reflections but not
information.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="size: 4"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><STRONG><EM>Information “<FONT
size=5>i</FONT><STRONG><EM><FONT style="size: 5" face="Times New Roman">"
</FONT></EM></STRONG></EM></STRONG></FONT>is the quadruple:</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=5 face="Times New Roman">i = (s, r, e,
I)</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>where</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><STRONG><EM>s</EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT> is a
source entity, which is reflected in <FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><STRONG><EM>r</EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><STRONG><EM>r </EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT>is the
entity in which reflection of <FONT style="size: 4"><FONT
style='face: "Times' roman?="" new=""><STRONG><EM><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt">s</FONT></EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT>
exists</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><STRONG><EM>e</EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT> is an
evidence for the subject <FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><STRONG><EM>I</EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT> which
proofs for him and only for him that the reflection in <FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><STRONG><EM>r</EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT> reflects
just <FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><EM><STRONG>s</STRONG>, <FONT size=4>i.e. the
evidence proofs for the subject what the reflection
reflects</FONT></EM></FONT></FONT>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><STRONG><EM>I</EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT> is
information subject who has possibility to make decisions in accordance with
some goals – human, animal, bacteria, artificial intelligent system,
etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>In other words, <EM><STRONG>information is a reflection,
but not every reflection is information</STRONG></EM> – only reflections for
which the quadruple above exist are assumed as information by the
corresponded subjects.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>For different <FONT style="size: 4"><FONT
style='face: "Times' roman?="" new=""><STRONG><EM><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt">I</FONT></EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT>, information
may be different because of subjects’ finite memory and reflection
possibilities.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Because of this, a physical event with an infinite bandwidth may have
finite information content <STRONG><EM><U>(for concrete information
subject)</U></EM></STRONG><U>.</U></DIV>
<DIV><U></U> </DIV>
<DIV>Friendly regards</DIV>
<DIV>Krassimir</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><U></U> </DIV>
<DIV><U></U> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-----Original Message----- </DIV>
<DIV>From: Pridi Siregar </DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 10:35 AM </DIV>
<DIV>To: Jerry LR Chandler </DIV>
<DIV>Cc: Foundations of Information Science of Information Science
Information Information Science </DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [Fis] FIS in Varna. Analogue Computation </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I was thinking about particles with mass...:-)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If anyone has an idea concerning my question thanks for the reply. I'm
totally ignorant concerning deep thoughts on the nature of
information.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Pridi</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Mail original -----</DIV>
<DIV>De: "Jerry LR Chandler" <<A
href="mailto:jerry_lr_chandler@me.com">jerry_lr_chandler@me.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>À: "Foundations of Information Science of Information Science
Information Information Science" <<A
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</A>></DIV>
<DIV>Cc: "John Collier" <<A
href="mailto:collierj@ukzn.ac.za">collierj@ukzn.ac.za</A>>, "Pridi
Siregar" <<A
href="mailto:pridi.siregar@ibiocomputing.com">pridi.siregar@ibiocomputing.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>Envoyé: Dimanche 20 Juillet 2014 05:12:53</DIV>
<DIV>Objet: Re: [Fis] FIS in Varna. Analogue Computation</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Pridi:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Are you mixing apples with citrus fruits?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Pure elastic collision are pre-suppose mass particles.</DIV>
<DIV>Electrical particles in this context do what?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cheers</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jerry</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On Jul 18, 2014, at 3:21 AM, Pridi Siregar wrote:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>> Dear John and all,</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> The limiting case of the particle collision (pure elastic
collision) can be represented by a dirac impulse whose spectral content
ranges over all the frequencies. I have a question: What does it mean to
have a physical event with an infinite bandwith while its information
content is finite ?</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> Best</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> Pridi</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> ----- Mail original -----</DIV>
<DIV>> De: "John Collier" <<A
href="mailto:collierj@ukzn.ac.za">collierj@ukzn.ac.za</A>></DIV>
<DIV>> À: <A href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</A>,
"Pedro C. Marijuan" <<A
href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</A>></DIV>
<DIV>> Envoyé: Mardi 15 Juillet 2014 07:19:50</DIV>
<DIV>> Objet: Re: [Fis] FIS in Varna. Analogue Computation</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> Dear fis members,</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> I don't think that granularity per se is a </DIV>
<DIV>> necessary basis for the application of </DIV>
<DIV>> information theory to analog channels. In some </DIV>
<DIV>> cases it might be, and I agree that studying the </DIV>
<DIV>> relations between analog (continuous) and digital </DIV>
<DIV>> (discrete) processes is likely to be both </DIV>
<DIV>> interesting and productive. However the bandwidth </DIV>
<DIV>> of an analog channel typically can be defined </DIV>
<DIV>> even if there is no discreteness, for example if </DIV>
<DIV>> the information bearing process consists of waves </DIV>
<DIV>> so that the information bearing capacity is </DIV>
<DIV>> limited by the wavelength. Virtually all physical </DIV>
<DIV>> processes are cyclical in some way and thus have </DIV>
<DIV>> a limited bandwidth. A countercase would be a </DIV>
<DIV>> collision between particles that carries momentum </DIV>
<DIV>> from one to another. I can't think offhand right </DIV>
<DIV>> now (I just woke up), but I suspect that even in </DIV>
<DIV>> such cases there is a finite amount of </DIV>
<DIV>> information transferred. In any case, Shannon </DIV>
<DIV>> discussed the bandwidth of continuous process channels. It is
worth looking at.</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> John</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> At 10:28 PM 2014-07-14, Srinandan Dasmahapatra wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>>> I think I agree with Joseph Brenner </DIV>
<DIV>>> here. Analogue computing is linked to real </DIV>
<DIV>>> processes, while living beings find ways of </DIV>
<DIV>>> transducing information out of dynamical states. </DIV>
<DIV>>> The graininess that information theories rely on </DIV>
<DIV>>> to define measures may be directly linked </DIV>
<DIV>>> to physical limits in the information carriers </DIV>
<DIV>>> (such as photons) or they might be limitations </DIV>
<DIV>>> of the processing organism, extracting the </DIV>
<DIV>>> sufficient "difference that makes a difference". </DIV>
<DIV>>> And yes, there's often a too hasty rush to view </DIV>
<DIV>>> analogue computing through pixellated perspectives.</DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> I'm not sure if this is well known to members of </DIV>
<DIV>>> this list, but Bill Bialek's biophysics text is </DIV>
<DIV>>> a profound reflection of the interplay between </DIV>
<DIV>>> the analogue and the digital, with selection </DIV>
<DIV>>> pressure forcing the sufficiency of the grainy </DIV>
<DIV>>> "difference that makes a difference" towards a </DIV>
<DIV>>> necessity for organisms, and hence pushing </DIV>
<DIV>>> sensory systems close to the physical limits of information
transfer.</DIV>
<DIV>>> Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV>>> Sri</DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> -------- Original message --------</DIV>
<DIV>>> From: Joseph Brenner</DIV>
<DIV>>> Date:14/07/2014 18:12 (GMT+00:00)</DIV>
<DIV>>> To: Pridi Siregar ,"Pedro C. Marijuan"</DIV>
<DIV>>> Cc: <A
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</A></DIV>
<DIV>>> Subject: Re: [Fis] FIS in Varna. Analogue Computation</DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> Dear Colleagues,</DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> My first reaction to this suggested project is that the logic
and philosophy</DIV>
<DIV>>> of information (where I am more comfortable) would have little
to</DIV>
<DIV>>> contribute. However, analogue computation is an area in which
insights from</DIV>
<DIV>>> some complex theories of information might be useful. Analogue
computation</DIV>
<DIV>>> has always appeared to me, perhaps incorrectly, as being
closer to real</DIV>
<DIV>>> processes and therefore in principle better able to model
their fuzzy,</DIV>
<DIV>>> qualitative aspects. But in some of the articles I've seen,
the authors seem</DIV>
<DIV>>> almost apologetic at not being able to claim the 'power' of
the digital</DIV>
<DIV>>> computer . . .</DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> Best wishes,</DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> Joseph</DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> ----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV>>> From: "Pridi Siregar" <<A
href="mailto:pridi.siregar@ibiocomputing.com">pridi.siregar@ibiocomputing.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>>> To: "Pedro C. Marijuan" <<A
href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</A>></DIV>
<DIV>>> Cc: <<A
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</A>></DIV>
<DIV>>> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 4:35 PM</DIV>
<DIV>>> Subject: Re: [Fis] FIS in Varna</DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> Thanks for the news Pedro. Sounds really exciting! As you
might recall I'm</DIV>
<DIV>>>> interested in applications and I would be very keen on
having a</DIV>
<DIV>>>> brainstorming session that would include pure researchers
and</DIV>
<DIV>>>> application-oriented guys like me to explore technology
transfer</DIV>
<DIV>>>> opportunities. I don't know if this could be part of some
(possible)</DIV>
<DIV>>>> future agenda but I'm sure that business people may find
it more than</DIV>
<DIV>>>> worthwile to attend such meetings! I'm sure Plamen would
be interested</DIV>
<DIV>>>> too.</DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> best!</DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> Pridi</DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> ----- Mail original -----</DIV>
<DIV>>>> De: "Pedro C. Marijuan" <<A
href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</A>></DIV>
<DIV>>>> À: <A
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</A></DIV>
<DIV>>>> Envoyé: Vendredi 11 Juillet 2014 14:41:42</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Objet: [Fis] FIS in Varna</DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> Dear FISers,</DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> The fis summer conference in Varna just took place 5-6
July --our 20</DIV>
<DIV>>>> years of activities were celebrated too, FIS 20th. Rather
unfortunately</DIV>
<DIV>>>> not many people attended: half dozen from Spain related to
Juan</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Castellanos and me (from Madrid and Zaragoza); and a few
parties around</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Krassimir from Bulgaria and Ukraine. But we had a great
time</DIV>
<DIV>>>> (discussions and exchanges, banquets, beach) and the place
is really</DIV>
<DIV>>>> beautifull & prices quite affordable. The idea, quite
possible to</DIV>
<DIV>>>> realize, is that every year that we do not have a
plenary fis or isis</DIV>
<DIV>>>> conference, we arrange a small summer school in
Varna.</DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> Among the exchanges this year, the retinue of "basic
concepts" around</DIV>
<DIV>>>> information generated the most intense debate--is there
any concept</DIV>
<DIV>>>> prior to information? Joseph's contribution was also
discussed by</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Krassimir addressed to the Russian colleagues (in
Russian). Computer</DIV>
<DIV>>>> related ontologies, new schemes to handle Big Data, and
brain</DIV>
<DIV>>>> exploration through AI and EEG by a very advanced
Egyptian team were</DIV>
<DIV>>>> quite exciting discussion topics too. For the future, we
think that</DIV>
<DIV>>>> spinoff companies could be enticed to participate,
developing new</DIV>
<DIV>>>> products and taking profit from some of those initiatives.
In any case,</DIV>
<DIV>>>> the interaction with brilliant ITHEA colleagues from
Bulgaria, Russia,</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Ukraine, Armenia, Belarus, Egypt... is a valuable
experience itself.</DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> And that's all!</DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> best wishes---Pedro</DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> --</DIV>
<DIV>>>> -------------------------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Pedro C. Marijuán</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X</DIV>
<DIV>>>> 50009 Zaragoza, Spain</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818)</DIV>
<DIV>>>> <A
href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</A></DIV>
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