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<DIV>Dear Pridi,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>An accordance with my understanding:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>In physical world there exist only reflections but not information.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="size: 4"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><STRONG><EM>Information “<FONT
size=5>i</FONT><STRONG><EM><FONT style="size: 5" face="Times New Roman">"
</FONT></EM></STRONG></EM></STRONG></FONT>is the quadruple:</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=5 face="Times New Roman">i = (s, r, e,
I)</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>where</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><STRONG><EM>s</EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT> is a source
entity, which is reflected in <FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><STRONG><EM>r</EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><STRONG><EM>r </EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT>is the entity
in which reflection of <FONT style="size: 4"><FONT style='face: "Times' New
roman?><STRONG><EM><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt">s</FONT></EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT> exists</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><STRONG><EM>e</EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT> is an evidence
for the subject <FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><STRONG><EM>I</EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT> which proofs
for him and only for him that the reflection in <FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><STRONG><EM>r</EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT> reflects just
<FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><EM><STRONG>s</STRONG>, <FONT size=4>i.e. the evidence
proofs for the subject what the reflection
reflects</FONT></EM></FONT></FONT>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><STRONG><EM>I</EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT> is information
subject who has possibility to make decisions in accordance with some goals –
human, animal, bacteria, artificial intelligent system, etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>In other words, <EM><STRONG>information is a reflection, but
not every reflection is information</STRONG></EM> – only reflections for which
the quadruple above exist are assumed as information by the corresponded
subjects.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>For different <FONT style="size: 4"><FONT style='face: "Times'
New roman?><STRONG><EM><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt">I</FONT></EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT>, information may be
different because of subjects’ finite memory and reflection
possibilities.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Because of this, a physical event with an infinite bandwidth may have
finite information content <STRONG><EM><U>(for concrete information
subject)</U></EM></STRONG><U>.</U></DIV>
<DIV><U></U> </DIV>
<DIV>Friendly regards</DIV>
<DIV>Krassimir</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><U></U> </DIV>
<DIV><U></U> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-----Original Message----- </DIV>
<DIV>From: Pridi Siregar </DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 10:35 AM </DIV>
<DIV>To: Jerry LR Chandler </DIV>
<DIV>Cc: Foundations of Information Science of Information Science Information
Information Science </DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [Fis] FIS in Varna. Analogue Computation </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I was thinking about particles with mass...:-)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If anyone has an idea concerning my question thanks for the reply. I'm
totally ignorant concerning deep thoughts on the nature of information.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Pridi</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Mail original -----</DIV>
<DIV>De: "Jerry LR Chandler" <jerry_lr_chandler@me.com></DIV>
<DIV>À: "Foundations of Information Science of Information Science Information
Information Science" <fis@listas.unizar.es></DIV>
<DIV>Cc: "John Collier" <collierj@ukzn.ac.za>, "Pridi Siregar"
<pridi.siregar@ibiocomputing.com></DIV>
<DIV>Envoyé: Dimanche 20 Juillet 2014 05:12:53</DIV>
<DIV>Objet: Re: [Fis] FIS in Varna. Analogue Computation</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Pridi:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Are you mixing apples with citrus fruits?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Pure elastic collision are pre-suppose mass particles.</DIV>
<DIV>Electrical particles in this context do what?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cheers</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jerry</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On Jul 18, 2014, at 3:21 AM, Pridi Siregar wrote:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>> Dear John and all,</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> The limiting case of the particle collision (pure elastic collision)
can be represented by a dirac impulse whose spectral content ranges over all the
frequencies. I have a question: What does it mean to have a physical event with
an infinite bandwith while its information content is finite ?</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> Best</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> Pridi</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> ----- Mail original -----</DIV>
<DIV>> De: "John Collier" <collierj@ukzn.ac.za></DIV>
<DIV>> À: fis@listas.unizar.es, "Pedro C. Marijuan"
<pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es></DIV>
<DIV>> Envoyé: Mardi 15 Juillet 2014 07:19:50</DIV>
<DIV>> Objet: Re: [Fis] FIS in Varna. Analogue Computation</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> Dear fis members,</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> I don't think that granularity per se is a </DIV>
<DIV>> necessary basis for the application of </DIV>
<DIV>> information theory to analog channels. In some </DIV>
<DIV>> cases it might be, and I agree that studying the </DIV>
<DIV>> relations between analog (continuous) and digital </DIV>
<DIV>> (discrete) processes is likely to be both </DIV>
<DIV>> interesting and productive. However the bandwidth </DIV>
<DIV>> of an analog channel typically can be defined </DIV>
<DIV>> even if there is no discreteness, for example if </DIV>
<DIV>> the information bearing process consists of waves </DIV>
<DIV>> so that the information bearing capacity is </DIV>
<DIV>> limited by the wavelength. Virtually all physical </DIV>
<DIV>> processes are cyclical in some way and thus have </DIV>
<DIV>> a limited bandwidth. A countercase would be a </DIV>
<DIV>> collision between particles that carries momentum </DIV>
<DIV>> from one to another. I can't think offhand right </DIV>
<DIV>> now (I just woke up), but I suspect that even in </DIV>
<DIV>> such cases there is a finite amount of </DIV>
<DIV>> information transferred. In any case, Shannon </DIV>
<DIV>> discussed the bandwidth of continuous process channels. It is worth
looking at.</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> John</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> At 10:28 PM 2014-07-14, Srinandan Dasmahapatra wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>>> I think I agree with Joseph Brenner </DIV>
<DIV>>> here. Analogue computing is linked to real </DIV>
<DIV>>> processes, while living beings find ways of </DIV>
<DIV>>> transducing information out of dynamical states. </DIV>
<DIV>>> The graininess that information theories rely on </DIV>
<DIV>>> to define measures may be directly linked </DIV>
<DIV>>> to physical limits in the information carriers </DIV>
<DIV>>> (such as photons) or they might be limitations </DIV>
<DIV>>> of the processing organism, extracting the </DIV>
<DIV>>> sufficient "difference that makes a difference". </DIV>
<DIV>>> And yes, there's often a too hasty rush to view </DIV>
<DIV>>> analogue computing through pixellated perspectives.</DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> I'm not sure if this is well known to members of </DIV>
<DIV>>> this list, but Bill Bialek's biophysics text is </DIV>
<DIV>>> a profound reflection of the interplay between </DIV>
<DIV>>> the analogue and the digital, with selection </DIV>
<DIV>>> pressure forcing the sufficiency of the grainy </DIV>
<DIV>>> "difference that makes a difference" towards a </DIV>
<DIV>>> necessity for organisms, and hence pushing </DIV>
<DIV>>> sensory systems close to the physical limits of information
transfer.</DIV>
<DIV>>> Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV>>> Sri</DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> -------- Original message --------</DIV>
<DIV>>> From: Joseph Brenner</DIV>
<DIV>>> Date:14/07/2014 18:12 (GMT+00:00)</DIV>
<DIV>>> To: Pridi Siregar ,"Pedro C. Marijuan"</DIV>
<DIV>>> Cc: fis@listas.unizar.es</DIV>
<DIV>>> Subject: Re: [Fis] FIS in Varna. Analogue Computation</DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> Dear Colleagues,</DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> My first reaction to this suggested project is that the logic and
philosophy</DIV>
<DIV>>> of information (where I am more comfortable) would have little
to</DIV>
<DIV>>> contribute. However, analogue computation is an area in which
insights from</DIV>
<DIV>>> some complex theories of information might be useful. Analogue
computation</DIV>
<DIV>>> has always appeared to me, perhaps incorrectly, as being closer to
real</DIV>
<DIV>>> processes and therefore in principle better able to model their
fuzzy,</DIV>
<DIV>>> qualitative aspects. But in some of the articles I've seen, the
authors seem</DIV>
<DIV>>> almost apologetic at not being able to claim the 'power' of the
digital</DIV>
<DIV>>> computer . . .</DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> Best wishes,</DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> Joseph</DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> ----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV>>> From: "Pridi Siregar"
<pridi.siregar@ibiocomputing.com></DIV>
<DIV>>> To: "Pedro C. Marijuan" <pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es></DIV>
<DIV>>> Cc: <fis@listas.unizar.es></DIV>
<DIV>>> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 4:35 PM</DIV>
<DIV>>> Subject: Re: [Fis] FIS in Varna</DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> Thanks for the news Pedro. Sounds really exciting! As you
might recall I'm</DIV>
<DIV>>>> interested in applications and I would be very keen on having
a</DIV>
<DIV>>>> brainstorming session that would include pure researchers
and</DIV>
<DIV>>>> application-oriented guys like me to explore technology
transfer</DIV>
<DIV>>>> opportunities. I don't know if this could be part of some
(possible)</DIV>
<DIV>>>> future agenda but I'm sure that business people may find it
more than</DIV>
<DIV>>>> worthwile to attend such meetings! I'm sure Plamen would be
interested</DIV>
<DIV>>>> too.</DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> best!</DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> Pridi</DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> ----- Mail original -----</DIV>
<DIV>>>> De: "Pedro C. Marijuan"
<pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es></DIV>
<DIV>>>> À: fis@listas.unizar.es</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Envoyé: Vendredi 11 Juillet 2014 14:41:42</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Objet: [Fis] FIS in Varna</DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> Dear FISers,</DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> The fis summer conference in Varna just took place 5-6 July
--our 20</DIV>
<DIV>>>> years of activities were celebrated too, FIS 20th. Rather
unfortunately</DIV>
<DIV>>>> not many people attended: half dozen from Spain related to
Juan</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Castellanos and me (from Madrid and Zaragoza); and a few
parties around</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Krassimir from Bulgaria and Ukraine. But we had a great
time</DIV>
<DIV>>>> (discussions and exchanges, banquets, beach) and the place is
really</DIV>
<DIV>>>> beautifull & prices quite affordable. The idea, quite
possible to</DIV>
<DIV>>>> realize, is that every year that we do not have a
plenary fis or isis</DIV>
<DIV>>>> conference, we arrange a small summer school in Varna.</DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> Among the exchanges this year, the retinue of "basic concepts"
around</DIV>
<DIV>>>> information generated the most intense debate--is there any
concept</DIV>
<DIV>>>> prior to information? Joseph's contribution was also discussed
by</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Krassimir addressed to the Russian colleagues (in Russian).
Computer</DIV>
<DIV>>>> related ontologies, new schemes to handle Big Data, and
brain</DIV>
<DIV>>>> exploration through AI and EEG by a very advanced
Egyptian team were</DIV>
<DIV>>>> quite exciting discussion topics too. For the future, we think
that</DIV>
<DIV>>>> spinoff companies could be enticed to participate, developing
new</DIV>
<DIV>>>> products and taking profit from some of those initiatives. In
any case,</DIV>
<DIV>>>> the interaction with brilliant ITHEA colleagues from Bulgaria,
Russia,</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Ukraine, Armenia, Belarus, Egypt... is a valuable
experience itself.</DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> And that's all!</DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> best wishes---Pedro</DIV>
<DIV>>>> </DIV>
<DIV>>>> --</DIV>
<DIV>>>> -------------------------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Pedro C. Marijuán</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X</DIV>
<DIV>>>> 50009 Zaragoza, Spain</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818)</DIV>
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