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<DIV>Dear Pedro, Joseph, John, Sri, and FIS Colleagues,</DIV>
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<DIV>At first place, I want to congratulate all of you with 20-th Anniversary of
FIS!</DIV>
<DIV>This is remarkable achievement of FIS community!</DIV>
<DIV>I wish you health and good positive spirit to continue our very important,
interesting and fruitful collaboration! </DIV>
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<DIV>In Varna (Bulgaria) we have nice meeting. Many thanks!</DIV>
<DIV>Next year Varna conference will be in a new 4 stars SPA-hotel with very
large mineral water pool, SPA procedures, and very good prices for ALL
INCLUSIVE: EURO 36 for a single room and EURO 32 for person in double
room.</DIV>
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<DIV>About Analogue and Discrete Computations as well as Continuity and
Discontinuity as properties of information:</DIV>
<DIV>We still need clear understanding of WHAT IS INFORMATION to discover WHAT
ARE ITS PROPERTIES and WHAT IS REALLY DONE DURING COMPUTATIONS. </DIV>
<DIV>Do we process information or exchange and transform energy, or reconfigure
mater objects?</DIV>
<DIV>I think, it is important one to define the basic point of view (clear
definition) before discussing in details one or another aspect of
information.</DIV>
<DIV>Of course, many different points of view are possible and, because of this,
we may have many different information theories and corresponded
implementations.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>It will be very useful to prepare a list of definitions we
will use (a part of all ones) with links to corresponded
bibliography.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Mark Burgin, <FONT color=#000000>Wolfgang <FONT
color=#000000>Hofkirchner, </FONT><A title="View other works by Luciano Floridi"
class=discreet style='href: "http://philpapers.org/s/Luciano%20Floridi"'><SPAN
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style='href: "http://philpapers.org/rec/COLII"'><FONT style='face: "Times' New
roman?><SPAN class=name><FONT style="COLOR: #000000" face=Calibri>John D.
Collier,</FONT></SPAN><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </FONT></FONT></A>Luciano
Floridi</FONT></SPAN></A>,<FONT color=#000000> as well as</FONT> several
other</FONT> colleagues, already have published nice surveys or theories (incl.
LIR of Joseph Brener!), so what we have to do now is to select definitions
appropriate for our discussions. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Is it possible ? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Friendly regards</DIV>
<DIV>Krassimir</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:president@ithea.org">president@ithea.org</A> </DIV>
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<DIV>-----Original Message----- </DIV>
<DIV>From: Joseph Brenner </DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:14 PM </DIV>
<DIV>To: fis ; Pedro C. Marijuan ; John Collier </DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [Fis] FIS in Varna. Analogue Computation </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dear John,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thank you for this interesting perspective. Regarding the origin of
the</DIV>
<DIV>"limited band width" of physical processes, could this have its origin
in</DIV>
<DIV>some regularity other than circularity? For example, the "continuous
going</DIV>
<DIV>back and forth" (the phrase is Botero's) between opposing attitudes
or</DIV>
<DIV>states, alternately predominantly actual and potential?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>All natural processes, then, have a capacity for continuous
information</DIV>
<DIV>bearing. The problem is then the origin of /discreteness/, not only in
your</DIV>
<DIV>countercase, which involves quantum particles, but at higher levels
of</DIV>
<DIV>interactions between complex entities! For me, the only solution is
that</DIV>
<DIV>continuity and discontinuity are properties of information which are</DIV>
<DIV>not totally separate from one another.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Perhaps Sri, there may be here the physical basis for the "interplay"</DIV>
<DIV>between analogue and digital that you see in Bialek's book, of which I
have</DIV>
<DIV>only read the (free) introduction?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Joseph</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV>From: "John Collier" <collierj@ukzn.ac.za></DIV>
<DIV>To: <fis@listas.unizar.es>; "Pedro C. Marijuan"
<pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es></DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 7:19 AM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [Fis] FIS in Varna. Analogue Computation</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dear fis members,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I don't think that granularity per se is a</DIV>
<DIV>necessary basis for the application of</DIV>
<DIV>information theory to analog channels. In some</DIV>
<DIV>cases it might be, and I agree that studying the</DIV>
<DIV>relations between analog (continuous) and digital</DIV>
<DIV>(discrete) processes is likely to be both</DIV>
<DIV>interesting and productive. However the bandwidth</DIV>
<DIV>of an analog channel typically can be defined</DIV>
<DIV>even if there is no discreteness, for example if</DIV>
<DIV>the information bearing process consists of waves</DIV>
<DIV>so that the information bearing capacity is</DIV>
<DIV>limited by the wavelength. Virtually all physical</DIV>
<DIV>processes are cyclical in some way and thus have</DIV>
<DIV>a limited bandwidth. A countercase would be a</DIV>
<DIV>collision between particles that carries momentum</DIV>
<DIV>from one to another. I can't think offhand right</DIV>
<DIV>now (I just woke up), but I suspect that even in</DIV>
<DIV>such cases there is a finite amount of</DIV>
<DIV>information transferred. In any case, Shannon</DIV>
<DIV>discussed the bandwidth of continuous process channels. It is worth
looking</DIV>
<DIV>at.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>At 10:28 PM 2014-07-14, Srinandan Dasmahapatra wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>>I think I agree with Joseph Brenner here. Analogue computing is
linked to</DIV>
<DIV>>real processes, while living beings find ways of transducing
information</DIV>
<DIV>>out of dynamical states. The graininess that information theories rely
on</DIV>
<DIV>>to define measures may be directly linked to physical limits in
the</DIV>
<DIV>>information carriers (such as photons) or they might be limitations of
the</DIV>
<DIV>>processing organism, extracting the sufficient "difference that makes
a</DIV>
<DIV>>difference". And yes, there's often a too hasty rush to view
analogue</DIV>
<DIV>>computing through pixellated perspectives.</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>>I'm not sure if this is well known to members of this list, but
Bill</DIV>
<DIV>>Bialek's biophysics text is a profound reflection of the interplay
between</DIV>
<DIV>>the analogue and the digital, with selection pressure forcing the</DIV>
<DIV>>sufficiency of the grainy "difference that makes a difference" towards
a</DIV>
<DIV>>necessity for organisms, and hence pushing sensory systems close to
the</DIV>
<DIV>>physical limits of information transfer.</DIV>
<DIV>>Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV>>Sri</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>>-------- Original message --------</DIV>
<DIV>>From: Joseph Brenner</DIV>
<DIV>>Date:14/07/2014 18:12 (GMT+00:00)</DIV>
<DIV>>To: Pridi Siregar ,"Pedro C. Marijuan"</DIV>
<DIV>>Cc: fis@listas.unizar.es</DIV>
<DIV>>Subject: Re: [Fis] FIS in Varna. Analogue Computation</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>>Dear Colleagues,</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>>My first reaction to this suggested project is that the logic and</DIV>
<DIV>>philosophy</DIV>
<DIV>>of information (where I am more comfortable) would have little to</DIV>
<DIV>>contribute. However, analogue computation is an area in which insights
from</DIV>
<DIV>>some complex theories of information might be useful. Analogue
computation</DIV>
<DIV>>has always appeared to me, perhaps incorrectly, as being closer to
real</DIV>
<DIV>>processes and therefore in principle better able to model their
fuzzy,</DIV>
<DIV>>qualitative aspects. But in some of the articles I've seen, the
authors</DIV>
<DIV>>seem</DIV>
<DIV>>almost apologetic at not being able to claim the 'power' of the
digital</DIV>
<DIV>>computer . . .</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>>Best wishes,</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>>Joseph</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>>----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV>>From: "Pridi Siregar" <pridi.siregar@ibiocomputing.com></DIV>
<DIV>>To: "Pedro C. Marijuan" <pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es></DIV>
<DIV>>Cc: <fis@listas.unizar.es></DIV>
<DIV>>Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 4:35 PM</DIV>
<DIV>>Subject: Re: [Fis] FIS in Varna</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> > Thanks for the news Pedro. Sounds really exciting! As you might
recall</DIV>
<DIV>> > I'm</DIV>
<DIV>> > interested in applications and I would be very keen on having
a</DIV>
<DIV>> > brainstorming session that would include pure researchers
and</DIV>
<DIV>> > application-oriented guys like me to explore technology
transfer</DIV>
<DIV>> > opportunities. I don't know if this could be part of some
(possible)</DIV>
<DIV>> > future agenda but I'm sure that business people may find it more
than</DIV>
<DIV>> > worthwile to attend such meetings! I'm sure Plamen would be
interested</DIV>
<DIV>> > too.</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > best!</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > Pridi</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > ----- Mail original -----</DIV>
<DIV>> > De: "Pedro C. Marijuan" <pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es></DIV>
<DIV>> > À: fis@listas.unizar.es</DIV>
<DIV>> > Envoyé: Vendredi 11 Juillet 2014 14:41:42</DIV>
<DIV>> > Objet: [Fis] FIS in Varna</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > Dear FISers,</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > The fis summer conference in Varna just took place 5-6 July --our
20</DIV>
<DIV>> > years of activities were celebrated too, FIS 20th. Rather
unfortunately</DIV>
<DIV>> > not many people attended: half dozen from Spain related to
Juan</DIV>
<DIV>> > Castellanos and me (from Madrid and Zaragoza); and a few parties
around</DIV>
<DIV>> > Krassimir from Bulgaria and Ukraine. But we had a great
time</DIV>
<DIV>> > (discussions and exchanges, banquets, beach) and the place is
really</DIV>
<DIV>> > beautifull & prices quite affordable. The idea, quite
possible to</DIV>
<DIV>> > realize, is that every year that we do not have a plenary
fis or isis</DIV>
<DIV>> > conference, we arrange a small summer school in Varna.</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > Among the exchanges this year, the retinue of "basic concepts"
around</DIV>
<DIV>> > information generated the most intense debate--is there any
concept</DIV>
<DIV>> > prior to information? Joseph's contribution was also discussed
by</DIV>
<DIV>> > Krassimir addressed to the Russian colleagues (in Russian).
Computer</DIV>
<DIV>> > related ontologies, new schemes to handle Big Data, and
brain</DIV>
<DIV>> > exploration through AI and EEG by a very advanced Egyptian
team were</DIV>
<DIV>> > quite exciting discussion topics too. For the future, we think
that</DIV>
<DIV>> > spinoff companies could be enticed to participate, developing
new</DIV>
<DIV>> > products and taking profit from some of those initiatives. In any
case,</DIV>
<DIV>> > the interaction with brilliant ITHEA colleagues from Bulgaria,
Russia,</DIV>
<DIV>> > Ukraine, Armenia, Belarus, Egypt... is a valuable
experience itself.</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > And that's all!</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > best wishes---Pedro</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > --</DIV>
<DIV>> > -------------------------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>> > Pedro C. Marijuán</DIV>
<DIV>> > Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group</DIV>
<DIV>> > Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud</DIV>
<DIV>> > Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)</DIV>
<DIV>> > Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X</DIV>
<DIV>> > 50009 Zaragoza, Spain</DIV>
<DIV>> > Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818)</DIV>
<DIV>> > pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</DIV>
<DIV>> > http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/</DIV>
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