<div dir="ltr">Caro Rafael,<div>tranne prova contraria credo di essere stato il primo economista a pensare al processo di tras-in-form-azione in lingua italiana. D'altra parte, pur essendo sensibile alla  teoria della comunicazione la concretezza o il pragmatismo economico porta a considerare adeguatamente  l'"orizzonte di significato" (L. Leydesdorff) e/o codice interpretativo  relativo (non assoluto) al procedimento di astrazione prescelto, modificando il quale il messaggio diventa rumore e il rumore diventa messaggio. Per non parlare dell'informazione emessa e dell'informazione acquisita. Non solo i fenomeni socio-economici, ma anche quelli naturali sono messaggi da comprendere. Un'ultima precisazione. La "Nuova economia" ("New economics") che propongo è in-centrata sulla legge dell'informazione (naturale o termodinamica, genetica, matematica e semantica), ma contiene tante altre innovazioni teoriche e pratiche.</div>
<div>Grazie ancora per l'autorevole interlocuzione e distinti saluti.</div><div>Francesco Rizzo.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-18 18:01 GMT+02:00 Rafael Capurro <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rafael@capurro.de" target="_blank">rafael@capurro.de</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
    <div>Dear Francesco,<br>
      <br>
      thanks for your explanations. I agree with you that there is a
      difference that makes a difference between _trans_ and _tras_. Do
      you know when and why this difference was introduced in Italian? I
      do not know of such a  difference in other Latin languages (incl.
      Spanish). <br>
      <br>
      In any case the issue itself concerns the concept of time _as_
      related to a process to comes to an end or _telos_ when the final
      _forma_ is achieved. This is what _trans-(in)-formatio_ then
      addresses. <br>
      <br>
      The difference you make concerns a permanent process of how
      (natural but also artificial) things become and disappear
      (Aristotle's _peri geneseos kai pthoras_) which presupposes a
      concept of linear time _as_ a linear and quatifiable parameter
      that was trans(!)lated in Scholastic philosophy _as_ "numerus
      motus secundum prius et posterius"). <br>
      <br>
      From a phenomenologial point of view this conception of _tras_
      that applies to all things (and to the universe itself?) is
      different from the kind of timely beings we are _as_ extended in
      tridimensional (qualitative different) time modes
      (past-present-future). As Heidegger shows, Western metaphysics
      (including modern science) is based on the view that being
      concerns only one of these modes, namely present: the more present
      a thing is, the more it is (god being the nunc stans). <br>
      <br>
      In other words, the difference you make between _tras_ and _trans_
      is not enough if we want do address our own being-in-time (or
      being-as-time). What we (partly) tra(n)scend as we exist is
      precisely the mode of being of things although we are at the same
      time natural beings and so also sub-jected to 'natural tras'. <br>
      <br>
      Our 'knowledge' of our own birth and death (which is a very
      special kind of knowledge, isn't it?) opens a different horizon of
      tra-cendence, a three dimensional finite one, that is also
      different from the coming to a 'telos' or perfection.<br>
      <br>
      best<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
      <br>
      Rafael<br>
      <br>
      <br>
    </font></span></div><div><div class="h5">
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      <div>BlackBerry de movistar, allí donde estés está tu oficin@</div>
      <hr>
      <div><b>From: </b> Francesco Rizzo
        <a href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" target="_blank"><13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com></a>
      </div>
      <div><b>Date: </b>Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:04:06 +0200</div>
      <div><b>To: </b>Pedro C.
        Marijuan<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank"><pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es></a></div>
      <div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fis] Information Science and the City.
        Trans-in-form-action</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      
      <div dir="ltr">Caro Rafael,
        <div>scusami per il ritardo con il quale posso risponderTi. Nel
          linguistico e comunicativo contesto della "Nuova economia"
          (che non  è traducibile in "new economy") della produzione o
          creazione io uso tras-in-form-azione intesa a come un'azione
          formativa (letteralmente che dà forma) nel tempo (in) che
          diventa una conservazione dinamica, cioè una tras-formazione o
          metamorfosi continua; mentre trans-informazione, come anche B.
          Haussenstein e K. Lorenz hanno affermato, si riferisce ai
          processi di ad-attamento che consistono in acquisizione di
          sapere corrispondente proprio ad una sorta di incremento della
          transinformazione che si stabilisce tra l'organismo e
          l'ambiente circostante. Quindi il prefisso "Tras-" si trova in
          tras-locare, tras-ferire, tras-gredire, tras-lare,
          tras-mettere; e soprattutto con  valore figurato, passaggio da
          una condizione ad un'altra, cambiamento, mutamento
          (tras-crivere, tras-figurare, tras-formare, tras-mutare)
          prevalentemente dei sistemi inorganici; il prefisso "Trans"
          riguarda essenzialmente i sistemi organici e si ritrova in
          transessuale, transgenico, etc. Per la formazione
          dell'Universo, la progettazione o organizzazione delle città,
          la creazione dei beni  culturali, la produzione dei beni
          economici, a mio parere, è più ragionevole usare parole
          composte con il prefisso "Tras". Naturalmente, il mio punto di
          vista presuppone un dominio cognitivo-linguistico-semantico
          legato alla lingua italiana e coerente con la mia episteme
          economica accennata nei messaggi precedenti.</div>
        <div>In ogni caso, ognuno è libero di chiamare le cose o di
          significare i segni come vuole, secondo il principio semiotico
          dell'arbitrarietà dei segni.  Rispettandone le conseguenti
          coerenze. Quel che conta è la logica del ragionamento unito
          alla disponibilità al dialogo o confronto, senza pre-giudizi o
          apriorismi.</div>
        <div>Vi ringrazio per la Vostra apertura intellettuale che
          qualifica e impreziosisce l'iniziativa e il sapiente lavoro di
          Pedro. Cari saluti.</div>
        <div>Francesco Rizzo.</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">
          2014-06-09 10:53 GMT+02:00 Francesco Rizzo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" target="_blank">13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="ltr">Caro Pedro,
              <div>chiedo scusa a Tutti. Mi sono fatto prendere dalle
                domande e automaticamente ho tentato di rispondere
                facendo delle precisazioni reiterate sulla parola
                composta tras-in-form-azione che l'ho visto diventare,
                impropriamente, trans-informazione. Comunque, non
                conoscevo la regola (due messaggi ogni settimana). Non
                accadrà più.</div>
              <div>Cordiali saluti.</div>
              <div>Francesco Rizzo.</div>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
              <br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-08 19:44 GMT+02:00 pedro
                marijuan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>></span>:
                <div>
                  <div><br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                      <div>Francesco, only two messages per week are
                        allowed in FIS list---Pedro
                        <div>BlackBerry de movistar, allí donde estés
                          está tu oficin@</div>
                        <hr>
                        <div><b>From: </b> Francesco Rizzo <<a href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" target="_blank">13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com</a>>
                        </div>
                        <div><b>Sender: </b> Fis <<a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</a>>
                        </div>
                        <div><b>Date: </b>Sun, 8 Jun 2014 16:40:38
                          +0200</div>
                        <div><b>To: </b><<a href="mailto:rafael@capurro.de" target="_blank">rafael@capurro.de</a>></div>
                        <div><b>Cc: </b><<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>></div>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fis] Information
                              Science and the City. Trans-in-form-action</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div dir="ltr">Caro Rafael,
                              <div>grazie per la precisazione che mi
                                riporta ad uno scritto ("Economia della
                                felicità o dell'infelicità. Analisi
                                critica della teoria delle valutazioni",
                                seconda edizione, Aracne editrice, Roma
                                2011) del 1977 in cui per la prima volta
                                affronto il problema entropico o meno
                                degli equilibri o dei dis-equilibri
                                economici. Comunque, ripeto ancora che
                                io non parlo di trans-in-form-azione,
                                bensì di tras-in-form-azione. </div>
                              <div>Ricambio i saluti augurali di cui ad
                                una certa età abbiamo bisogno per
                                ritornare continuamente al nostro
                                futuro, dato che è sempre bello
                                continuare a fare un'esperienza di
                                condivisione empatica.</div>
                              <div>Francesco.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div> </div>
                            </div>
                            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                              <br>
                              <div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-08 16:05
                                GMT+02:00 Rafael Capurro <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rafael@capurro.de" target="_blank">rafael@capurro.de</a>></span>:<br>
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
                                    <div>Caro Francesco,<br>
                                      your trans-in-form-azione echoes
                                      my paths of thinking<br>
                                      <a href="http://www.triple-c.at/index.php/tripleC/article/view/113/116" target="_blank">http://www.triple-c.at/index.php/tripleC/article/view/113/116</a><br>
                                      that started in 1976 <a href="http://www.capurro.de/info.html" target="_blank">http://www.capurro.de/info.html</a>
                                      when 'in-form-azione' was a very
                                      alien word for philosophers<br>
                                      auguri<br>
                                      Rafael<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <blockquote type="cite">
                                          <div dir="ltr">Caro Joseph,
                                            <div>desidero precisare che
                                              la parola composta che io
                                              uso è tras-in-form-azione,
                                              non trans-informazione.
                                              Questo per evitare almeno
                                              un equivoco.</div>
                                            <div>Buona domenica.</div>
                                            <div>Francesco.</div>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                            <br>
                                            <div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-07
                                              12:05 GMT+02:00 Francesco
                                              Rizzo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" target="_blank">13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
                                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                <div dir="ltr">Caro
                                                  Joseph,
                                                  <div>vedo che il mio
                                                    ultimo messaggio è
                                                    stato un poco
                                                    raffazzonato. In
                                                    ogni caso non penso
                                                    che sia possibile
                                                    soddisfare la Tua
                                                     legittima curiosità
                                                    mediante brevi
                                                    scritti. Ed è per
                                                    questo che
                                                    inizialmente mi sono
                                                    permesso di
                                                    suggerire la lettura
                                                    di tre libri.
                                                    Naturalmente, mi
                                                    farò risentire anche
                                                    per motivare, se
                                                    serve, il perché
                                                    "entropia" significa
                                                    dis-informazione e
                                                    "neg-entropia"
                                                    informazione.
                                                    Interessante è a
                                                    questo proposito la
                                                    lettura di "Che
                                                    cos'è la vita?" di
                                                    Erwin Schrodinger
                                                    (con due puntini
                                                    sopra la o).</div>
                                                  <div>Grazie
                                                    soprattutto per la
                                                    Tua verve critica
                                                    che apprezzo molto.</div>
                                                  <div>Saluti.</div>
                                                  <div>Francesco.</div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-07
                                                    8:53 GMT+02:00
                                                    Joseph Brenner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>></span>:
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div bgcolor="#ffffff">
                                                          <div><font face="Arial">Dear
                                                          Francesco and
                                                          All,</font></div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><font face="Arial">Here
                                                          is a rough
                                                          version of
                                                          Francesco's
                                                          comment. I
                                                          think it
                                                          deserves
                                                          further
                                                          critical
                                                          comments, for
                                                          example, on
                                                          the way it
                                                          relates
                                                          information
                                                          and cultural
                                                          value and the
                                                          co-generation
                                                          of entropy and
                                                          negentropy,
                                                          usually
                                                          implicit but
                                                          not spelled
                                                          out.</font></div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;COLOR:#222222;FONT-FAMILY:Arial" lang="EN">Thanks
                                                          for your
                                                          words. In the
                                                          early eighties
                                                          I introduced
                                                          the concept of
                                                          information-process
                                                          (the action of
                                                          giving or
                                                          taking form in
                                                          time). In "The
                                                          Economics of
                                                          Cultural
                                                          Heritage"
                                                          (1983), which
                                                          became
                                                          "Economics of
                                                          an
                                                          “architectural-environmental
                                                          heritage," in
                                                          1989 (Franco
                                                          Angeli, Milan
                                                          ), in which,
                                                          inter alia, I
                                                          define a
                                                          negentropic
                                                          cultural
                                                          value. I also
                                                          applied to the
                                                          city, during a
                                                          course on
                                                          urban and
                                                          regional
                                                          economics at
                                                          the Faculty of
                                                          Architecture
                                                          of Palermo, in
                                                          1984-85, the
                                                          compound word
                                                          trans-form-in-action
                                                          (action of
                                                          giving or
                                                          taking form
                                                          over time that
                                                          can /not/ not
                                                          trans-form) to
                                                          the city, But
                                                          what matters
                                                          most is to
                                                          have conceived
                                                          the activity
                                                          of economic
                                                          production (in
                                                          general) as a
                                                          process of
                                                          trans-information
                                                          whose "input"
                                                          (matter,
                                                          energy and
                                                          information)
                                                          and "output"
                                                          (matter,
                                                          energy and
                                                          information)
                                                          are both
                                                          negentropy and
                                                          entropy. So my
                                                          theory of
                                                          value (which
                                                          applies not
                                                          only to the
                                                          economy in the
                                                          strict sense)
                                                          can be defined
                                                          in
                                                          simple-combination
                                                          of creative
                                                          energy and
                                                          information
                                                          and, in a more
                                                          complex
                                                          triangle of
                                                          the three
                                                          surpluses of
                                                          negentropy:
                                                          thermodynamic
                                                          or natural,
                                                          eco-biological
                                                          and
                                                          cultural-historical.
                                                          So, the
                                                          marginal
                                                          utility theory
                                                          of value of
                                                          neoclassical
                                                          economists is
                                                          outdated and
                                                          (should be)
                                                          thrown to the
                                                          winds. In
                                                          fact, the "new
                                                          economy" is a
                                                          psycho-physical,

                                                          semiotic-hermeneutic
                                                          and biological
                                                          technology
                                                          sub-episteme.
                                                          In summary, I
                                                          really think a
                                                          new science of
                                                          economics or
                                                          economics of
                                                          science has
                                                          been invented.
                                                          For Pedro’s
                                                          re-discussion
                                                          of information
                                                          encouraged me
                                                          to send the
                                                          above message
                                                          (without
                                                          wishing to
                                                          take any undue
                                                          credit for
                                                          myself).</span><span style="FONT-SIZE:8pt;COLOR:#777777;FONT-FAMILY:Arial"></span></div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-JUSTIFY:inter-ideograph;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;TEXT-ALIGN:justify"> </p>
                                                          <div><font face="Arial">Best,</font></div>
                                                          <span><font color="#888888">
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><font face="Arial">Joseph</font></div>
                                                          </font></span></div>
                                                          <blockquote dir="ltr" style="PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px solid;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div style="FONT:10pt arial">-----
                                                          Original
                                                          Message -----
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div style="BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;FONT:10pt arial"><b>From:</b>
                                                          <a title="13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" target="_blank">Francesco Rizzo</a> </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b>
                                                          <a title="joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">Joseph
                                                          Brenner</a> </div>
                                                          <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b>
                                                          <a title="pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">Pedro C. Marijuan</a> ; <a title="fis@listas.unizar.es" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b>
                                                          Friday, June
                                                          06, 2014 12:37
                                                          PM</div>
                                                          <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b>
                                                          Re: [Fis]
                                                          Information
                                                          Science and
                                                          the City.
                                                          Trans-in-form-action</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Caro
                                                          Joseph,
                                                          <div>grazie
                                                          per le Tue
                                                          parole.
                                                          All'inizio
                                                          degli anni
                                                          Ottanta ho
                                                          introdotto il
                                                          concetto-processo
                                                          di
                                                          informazione
                                                          (azione del
                                                          dare o
                                                          prendere forma
                                                          nel tempo) In
                                                          "Economia dei
                                                          beni
                                                          culturali"(1983),
                                                          divenuto
                                                          "Economia del
                                                          patrimonio
                                                          architettonico-ambientale"
                                                          nel 1989
                                                          (FrancoAngeli,
                                                          Milano), in
                                                          cui fra
                                                          l'altro
                                                          definisco i
                                                          beni culturali
                                                          neg-entropici.
                                                          Inoltre ho
                                                          impiegato la
                                                          parola
                                                          composta
                                                          tras-in-form-azione
                                                          (azione del
                                                          dare o
                                                          prendere forma
                                                          nel tempo che
                                                          non può non
                                                          tras-formarsi)
                                                          alla città
                                                          durante lo
                                                          svolgimento
                                                          del corso di
                                                          economia
                                                          urbana e
                                                          regionale
                                                          nella Facoltà
                                                          di
                                                          Architettura
                                                          di Palermo,
                                                          nell'A.a.
                                                          1984-85. Ma
                                                          quel che conta
                                                          di più è
                                                          l'avere
                                                          concepito
                                                          l'attività di
                                                          produzione
                                                          economica (in
                                                          senso
                                                          generale) come
                                                          un processo di
                                                          tras-informazione
                                                          i cui "input"
                                                          (materia,
                                                          energia e
                                                          informazione)
                                                          e "output"
                                                          (materia,
                                                          energia e
                                                          informazione)
                                                          sono
                                                          neg-entropia
                                                          ed entropia.
                                                          Quindi la mia
                                                          teoria del
                                                          valore (che
                                                          non vale solo
                                                          per l'economia
                                                          in senso
                                                          stretto) può
                                                          definirsi- in
                                                          modo semplice-
                                                          combinazione
                                                          creativa di
                                                          energia e
                                                          informazione
                                                          e, in modo più
                                                          complesso,
                                                          triangolo dei
                                                          tre surplus o
                                                          neg-entropie:
                                                          termodinamici
                                                          o naturali,
                                                          eco-biologici
                                                          e
                                                          storico-culturali.
                                                          Sicché la
                                                          teoria del
                                                          valore-utilità
                                                          marginale
                                                          degli
                                                          economisti
                                                          neoclassici è
                                                          sorpassata e
                                                          da buttare
                                                          alle ortiche.
                                                          Difatti la
                                                          "Nuova
                                                          economia" è
                                                          in-centrata
                                                          sull'episteme
                                                          psico-fisica,semiotico-ermeneutica
                                                          e
                                                          biologico-tecnologica.
                                                          Insomma, penso
                                                          davvero  di
                                                          avere
                                                          inventato una
                                                          nuova scienza
                                                          dell'economia
                                                          o  economia
                                                          della scienza.
                                                          Per questo
                                                          appena Pedro
                                                          ha ri-parlato
                                                          di
                                                          informazione
                                                           sono stato
                                                          stimolato a
                                                          mandare il
                                                          messaggio
                                                          precedente.</div>
                                                          <div>Ribadisco,
                                                          però, che non
                                                          intendo menare
                                                          alcun vanto.</div>
                                                          <div>Cordiali
                                                          saluti.</div>
                                                          <div>Francesco
                                                          Rizzo.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-06
                                                          9:49 GMT+02:00
                                                          Joseph Brenner
                                                          <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>></span>:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">
                                                          <div bgcolor="#ffffff">
                                                          <div><font face="Arial">Dear

                                                          Francesco,</font></div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><font face="Arial">Thank
                                                          you for a most
                                                          interesting
                                                          overview of
                                                          your work.
                                                          What I would
                                                          be most
                                                          interested
                                                          in would be a
                                                          summary of
                                                          the real
                                                          processes
                                                          underlying
                                                          "trans-in-form-action"
                                                          and
                                                          its relation
                                                          to information
                                                          - and
                                                          "trans-information".
                                                          The use of the
                                                          prefix
                                                          'trans-' in
                                                          transdisciplinarity
                                                          is intended
                                                          (by Nicolescu)
                                                          to refer to
                                                          something that
                                                          lies within,
                                                          between and
                                                          beyond
                                                          specific
                                                          disciplines.
                                                          Another
                                                          non-trivial
                                                          use of
                                                          'trans-' was
                                                          made by Pedro.</font></div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><font face="Arial">(Some
                                                          14 years ago,
                                                          I defined
                                                          'trans-creation'
                                                          as the
                                                          creation of
                                                          artistic
                                                          documents or
                                                          objects with
                                                          some social
                                                          relevance,
                                                          that is, to
                                                          the common
                                                          good. It is
                                                          important to
                                                          understand, in
                                                          this
                                                          connection,
                                                          how
                                                          information
                                                          carries such
                                                          relevance.) </font></div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><font face="Arial">If
                                                          you prefer to
                                                          answer in
                                                          Italian rather
                                                          than English,
                                                          unless there
                                                          is someone
                                                          else in the
                                                          group with
                                                          Italian-language
                                                          skills, I
                                                          would
                                                          undertake to
                                                          make a rough
                                                          translation
                                                          (or edit a
                                                          machine-translation).</font></div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><font face="Arial">Best

                                                          regards,</font></div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><font face="Arial">Joseph</font></div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><font face="Arial">(Joseph
                                                          E. Brenner,
                                                          Ph.D.)</font></div>
                                                          <div><font face="Arial">VP-Inter-and

                                                          Transdisciplinarity,

                                                          International
                                                          Society for
                                                          Information
                                                          Science)</font></div>
                                                          <blockquote style="PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px solid;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px">
                                                          <div style="FONT:10pt arial">-----
                                                          Original
                                                          Message -----
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div style="BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;FONT:10pt arial"><b>From:</b>
                                                          <a title="13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" target="_blank">Francesco Rizzo</a> </div>
                                                          <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b>
                                                          <a title="pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">Pedro C. Marijuan</a> </div>
                                                          <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b>
                                                          <a title="fis@listas.unizar.es" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b>
                                                          Thursday, June
                                                          05, 2014 4:31
                                                          PM</div>
                                                          <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b>
                                                          Re: [Fis]
                                                          Information
                                                          Science and
                                                          the City</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Caro
                                                          Pedro e cari
                                                          tutti,
                                                          <div>mi
                                                          permetto di
                                                          segnalarVi che
                                                          la mia "Nuova
                                                          economia" è
                                                          basata sul
                                                           processo di
                                                          tras-in-form-azione.
                                                          Si cfr. a tal
                                                          proposito, fra
                                                          i tanti altri:</div>
                                                          <div>-Rizzo
                                                          F., ""Valore e
                                                          valutazioni.
                                                          La scienza
                                                          dell'economia
                                                          o l'economia
                                                          della
                                                          scienza",
                                                          FancoAngeli,
                                                          Milano 1999;</div>
                                                          <div>-Rizzo
                                                          F., "Nuova
                                                          economia.
                                                          Felicità del
                                                          lavoro
                                                          creativo e
                                                          della
                                                          conservazione
                                                          della natura.
                                                          Infelicità
                                                          della
                                                          speculazione
                                                          finanziaria",
                                                          Aracne
                                                          editrice,
                                                          Roma, 2013;</div>
                                                          <div>-Rizzo
                                                          F., "Incontro
                                                          d'amore tra il
                                                          cuore della
                                                          fede e
                                                          l'intelligenza
                                                          della scienza.
                                                          Un salto nel
                                                          cielo", Aracne
                                                          editrice, Roma
                                                          2014.</div>
                                                          <div>Ho
                                                          dedicato mezzo
                                                          secolo di
                                                          ricerca per
                                                          ri-comprendere
                                                          e
                                                          ri-significare
                                                          la scienza
                                                          economica.
                                                          Quello che
                                                          scrivo non  è
                                                          una
                                                          presunzione.</div>
                                                          <div>Auguri
                                                          per un'intensa
                                                          ripresa e
                                                          grazie.</div>
                                                          <div>Francesco
                                                          Rizzo.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-05

                                                          14:25
                                                          GMT+02:00
                                                          Pedro C.
                                                          Marijuan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>></span>:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">Dear
                                                          FISers,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Among the many
                                                          interesting
                                                          themes where
                                                          the
                                                          information
                                                          science
                                                          perspective
                                                          may provide
                                                          useful
                                                          orientations,
                                                          cities are one
                                                          of the most
                                                          singular. A
                                                          recent work by
                                                          Michel Batty
                                                          on the New
                                                          Science of
                                                          Cities (2013,
                                                          MIT) makes a
                                                          lot of
                                                          connections
                                                          with our oft
                                                          discussed info
                                                          topics. A
                                                          Communication
                                                          Theory of
                                                          Urban Growth
                                                          was developed
                                                          by Richard
                                                          Meier (1962);
                                                          a fluxes
                                                          perspective
                                                          was already
                                                          attempted by
                                                          Patrick Geddes
                                                          (1949). In
                                                          essence I have
                                                          found that the
                                                          idea of
                                                          information
                                                          flows and
                                                          material flows
                                                          as catching
                                                          and
                                                          intertwining
                                                          each other,
                                                          with their
                                                          highly
                                                          different
                                                          regimes,
                                                          heterogeneity
                                                          and energy
                                                          contents,
                                                          appears as an
                                                          important
                                                          focus in order
                                                          to better
                                                          understand the
                                                          globalized
                                                          city. Scaling
                                                          is one of the
                                                          essential
                                                          concepts...<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I am not aware
                                                          that scaling
                                                          has been
                                                          applied to the
                                                          informational
                                                          analysis
                                                          itself
                                                          (obviously it
                                                          is the
                                                          cornerstone of
                                                          self-similarity).
                                                          What I mean is
                                                          that a
                                                          micro-level of
                                                          communication
                                                          analysis may
                                                          be quite
                                                          different from
                                                          the
                                                          meso-level,
                                                          and the from
                                                          macro-level.
                                                          Thinking in
                                                          the human case
                                                          (biologically
                                                          it could make
                                                          sense too) the
                                                          micro level is
                                                          dominated by
                                                          syntaxis, by a
                                                          Shannonian
                                                          type of
                                                          analysis on
                                                          messages
                                                          emitted from a
                                                          sourced to a
                                                          receiver. The
                                                          meso level
                                                          contains
                                                          meaning, value
                                                          (fitness),
                                                          purpose, and
                                                          in general it
                                                          implies the
                                                          communication
                                                          associated to
                                                          the behavioral
                                                          episodes and
                                                          living rhythms
                                                          of
                                                          individuals.
                                                          While in the
                                                          macro level,
                                                          many
                                                          individuals'
                                                          actions,
                                                          works,
                                                          products, etc.
                                                          are aggregated
                                                          into fluxes or
                                                          flows,
                                                          basically of
                                                          two kinds
                                                          those devoted
                                                          to the
                                                          material
                                                          (self-production)
                                                          and those
                                                          carrying the
                                                          info stuff
                                                          devoted to
                                                          communication;
                                                          then it
                                                          invites
                                                          analysis of
                                                          network
                                                          science,
                                                          operations
                                                          research,
                                                          economic
                                                          efficiency,
                                                          etc., and of
                                                          course the
                                                          direct flow
                                                          perspective as
                                                          Bejan and
                                                          Peder (2011)
                                                          have attempted
                                                          in one of the
                                                          most
                                                          interesting
                                                          theories on
                                                          self-constructing
                                                          flow systems.
                                                          Depending on
                                                          the
                                                          information
                                                          perspective in
                                                          which we
                                                          observe human
                                                          communication,
                                                          we will need
                                                          one or another
                                                          lens to better
                                                          make sense of
                                                          what is
                                                          happening.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          My impression
                                                          is that a more
                                                          mature info
                                                          science could
                                                          be quite
                                                          helpful in
                                                          this new field
                                                          of urban
                                                          development
                                                          science --most
                                                          people
                                                          nowadays are
                                                          living in
                                                          cities. Top
                                                          down planning
                                                          will fail if
                                                          it is does not
                                                          match with the
                                                          bottom up
                                                          processes,
                                                          both in
                                                          communication
                                                          and
                                                          self-production
                                                          aspects.
                                                          Keeping an
                                                          adequate
                                                          social flow of
                                                          information, a
                                                          well-mixed
                                                          regime of
                                                          communication,
                                                          is the essence
                                                          of democracy.
                                                          The
                                                          contemporary
                                                          "epidemics of
                                                          loneliness"
                                                          for instance
                                                          may be due
                                                          among other
                                                          social and
                                                          demographic
                                                          causes to
                                                          failures in
                                                          bureaucratic
                                                          high level
                                                          planning...<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          best ---Pedro<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          PS. After the
                                                          nasty computer
                                                          crash months
                                                          ago, we should
                                                          try to enliven
                                                          the
                                                          list--shouldn't
                                                          we?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          -- <br>
-------------------------------------------------<br>
                                                          Pedro C.
                                                          Marijuán<br>
                                                          Grupo de
                                                          Bioinformación
                                                          /
                                                          Bioinformation
                                                          Group<br>
                                                          Instituto
                                                          Aragonés de
                                                          Ciencias de la
                                                          Salud<br>
                                                          Centro de
                                                          Investigación
                                                          Biomédica de
                                                          Aragón (CIBA)<br>
                                                          Avda. San Juan
                                                          Bosco, 13,
                                                          planta X<br>
                                                          50009
                                                          Zaragoza,
                                                          Spain<br>
                                                          Tfno. <a href="tel:%2B34%20976%2071%203526" value="+34976713526" target="_blank">+34
                                                          976 71 3526</a>
                                                          (& 6818)<br>
                                                          <a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a><br>
                                                          <a href="http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/</a><br>
-------------------------------------------------<br>
                                                          <br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                                          Fis mailing
                                                          list<br>
                                                          <a href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">Fis@listas.unizar.es</a><br>
                                                          <a href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis" target="_blank">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</a><br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <hr>
                                                          _______________________________________________<br>
                                                          Fis mailing
                                                          list<br>
                                                          <a href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">Fis@listas.unizar.es</a><br>
                                                          <a href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis" target="_blank">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</a><br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </blockquote>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <br>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                            </div>
                                            <br>
                                          </div>
                                          <br>
                                          <fieldset></fieldset>
                                          <br>
                                          <pre>_______________________________________________
Fis mailing list
<a href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">Fis@listas.unizar.es</a>
<a href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis" target="_blank">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</a>
</pre>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                    <span><font color="#888888">
                                        <pre cols="72">-- 
Prof.em. Dr. Rafael Capurro 
Hochschule der Medien (HdM), Stuttgart, Germany
Capurro Fiek Foundation for Information Ethics (<a href="http://www.capurro-fiek-foundation.org" target="_blank">http://www.capurro-fiek-foundation.org</a>)
Distinguished Researcher at the African Centre of Excellence for Information Ethics (ACEIE), Department of Information Science, University of Pretoria, South Africa.
President, International Center for Information Ethics (ICIE) (<a href="http://icie.zkm.de" target="_blank">http://icie.zkm.de</a>)
Editor in Chief, International Review of Information Ethics (IRIE) (<a href="http://www.i-r-i-e.net" target="_blank">http://www.i-r-i-e.net</a>)
Postal Address: Redtenbacherstr. 9, 76133 Karlsruhe, Germany
E-Mail: <a href="mailto:rafael@capurro.de" target="_blank">rafael@capurro.de</a>
Voice: <a href="tel:%2B%2049%20-%20721%20-%2098%2022%209%20-%2022" value="+497219822922" target="_blank">+ 49 - 721 - 98 22 9 - 22</a> (Fax: -21)
Homepage: <a href="http://www.capurro.de" target="_blank">www.capurro.de</a>
</pre>
                                      </font></span></div>
                                </blockquote>
                              </div>
                              <br>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </blockquote>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              <br>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
        </div>
        <br>
      </div>
      <br>
      <fieldset></fieldset>
      <br>
      <pre>_______________________________________________
Fis mailing list
<a href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">Fis@listas.unizar.es</a>
<a href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis" target="_blank">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</a>
</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <br>
    <pre cols="72">-- 
Prof.em. Dr. Rafael Capurro 
Hochschule der Medien (HdM), Stuttgart, Germany
Capurro Fiek Foundation for Information Ethics (<a href="http://www.capurro-fiek-foundation.org" target="_blank">http://www.capurro-fiek-foundation.org</a>)
Distinguished Researcher at the African Centre of Excellence for Information Ethics (ACEIE), Department of Information Science, University of Pretoria, South Africa.
President, International Center for Information Ethics (ICIE) (<a href="http://icie.zkm.de" target="_blank">http://icie.zkm.de</a>)
Editor in Chief, International Review of Information Ethics (IRIE) (<a href="http://www.i-r-i-e.net" target="_blank">http://www.i-r-i-e.net</a>)
Postal Address: Redtenbacherstr. 9, 76133 Karlsruhe, Germany
E-Mail: <a href="mailto:rafael@capurro.de" target="_blank">rafael@capurro.de</a>
Voice: <a href="tel:%2B%2049%20-%20721%20-%2098%2022%209%20-%2022" value="+497219822922" target="_blank">+ 49 - 721 - 98 22 9 - 22</a> (Fax: -21)
Homepage: <a href="http://www.capurro.de" target="_blank">www.capurro.de</a>
</pre>
  </div></div></div>

<br>_______________________________________________<br>
Fis mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es">Fis@listas.unizar.es</a><br>
<a href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis" target="_blank">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br></div>