<div dir="ltr">Caro Joseph,<div>grazie per le Tue parole. All'inizio degli anni Ottanta ho introdotto il concetto-processo di informazione (azione del dare o prendere forma nel tempo) In "Economia dei beni culturali"(1983), divenuto "Economia del patrimonio architettonico-ambientale" nel 1989 (FrancoAngeli, Milano), in cui fra l'altro definisco i beni culturali neg-entropici. Inoltre ho impiegato la parola composta tras-in-form-azione (azione del dare o prendere forma nel tempo che non può non tras-formarsi) alla città durante lo svolgimento del corso di economia urbana e regionale nella Facoltà di Architettura di Palermo, nell'A.a. 1984-85. Ma quel che conta di più è l'avere concepito l'attività di produzione economica (in senso generale) come un processo di tras-informazione i cui "input" (materia, energia e informazione) e "output" (materia, energia e informazione) sono neg-entropia ed entropia. Quindi la mia teoria del valore (che non vale solo per l'economia in senso stretto) può definirsi- in modo semplice- combinazione creativa di energia e informazione e, in modo più complesso, triangolo dei tre surplus o neg-entropie: termodinamici o naturali, eco-biologici e storico-culturali. Sicché la teoria del valore-utilità marginale degli economisti neoclassici è sorpassata e da buttare alle ortiche. Difatti la "Nuova economia" è in-centrata sull'episteme psico-fisica,semiotico-ermeneutica e biologico-tecnologica. Insomma, penso davvero di avere inventato una nuova scienza dell'economia o economia della scienza. Per questo appena Pedro ha ri-parlato di informazione sono stato stimolato a mandare il messaggio precedente.</div>
<div>Ribadisco, però, che non intendo menare alcun vanto.</div><div>Cordiali saluti.</div><div>Francesco Rizzo.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-06 9:49 GMT+02:00 Joseph Brenner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>></span>:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Dear Francesco,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Thank you for a most interesting overview of your
work. What I would be most interested in would be a summary of
the real processes underlying "trans-in-form-action" and its relation
to information - and "trans-information". The use of the prefix 'trans-' in
transdisciplinarity is intended (by Nicolescu) to refer to something that lies
within, between and beyond specific disciplines. Another non-trivial use of
'trans-' was made by Pedro.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">(Some 14 years ago, I defined 'trans-creation' as
the creation of artistic documents or objects with some social relevance, that
is, to the common good. It is important to understand, in this connection, how
information carries such relevance.) </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">If you prefer to answer in Italian rather than
English, unless there is someone else in the group with Italian-language skills,
I would undertake to make a rough translation (or edit a
machine-translation).</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Best regards,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Joseph</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">(Joseph E. Brenner, Ph.D.)</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">VP-Inter-and Transdisciplinarity, International
Society for Information Science)</font></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;FONT:10pt arial"><b>From:</b>
<a title="13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" target="_blank">Francesco Rizzo</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">Pedro C. Marijuan</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="fis@listas.unizar.es" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis@listas.unizar.es</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 05, 2014 4:31
PM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] Information Science
and the City</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Caro Pedro e cari tutti,
<div>mi permetto di segnalarVi che la mia "Nuova economia" è basata sul
processo di tras-in-form-azione. Si cfr. a tal proposito, fra i tanti
altri:</div>
<div>-Rizzo F., ""Valore e valutazioni. La scienza dell'economia o l'economia
della scienza", FancoAngeli, Milano 1999;</div>
<div>-Rizzo F., "Nuova economia. Felicità del lavoro creativo e della
conservazione della natura. Infelicità della speculazione finanziaria", Aracne
editrice, Roma, 2013;</div>
<div>-Rizzo F., "Incontro d'amore tra il cuore della fede e l'intelligenza
della scienza. Un salto nel cielo", Aracne editrice, Roma 2014.</div>
<div>Ho dedicato mezzo secolo di ricerca per ri-comprendere e ri-significare
la scienza economica. Quello che scrivo non è una presunzione.</div>
<div>Auguri per un'intensa ripresa e grazie.</div>
<div>Francesco Rizzo.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-05 14:25 GMT+02:00 Pedro C. Marijuan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>></span>:<br>
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FISers,<br><br>Among the many interesting themes where the information
science perspective may provide useful orientations, cities are one of the
most singular. A recent work by Michel Batty on the New Science of Cities
(2013, MIT) makes a lot of connections with our oft discussed info topics. A
Communication Theory of Urban Growth was developed by Richard Meier (1962);
a fluxes perspective was already attempted by Patrick Geddes (1949). In
essence I have found that the idea of information flows and material flows
as catching and intertwining each other, with their highly different
regimes, heterogeneity and energy contents, appears as an important focus in
order to better understand the globalized city. Scaling is one of the
essential concepts...<br><br>I am not aware that scaling has been applied to
the informational analysis itself (obviously it is the cornerstone of
self-similarity). What I mean is that a micro-level of communication
analysis may be quite different from the meso-level, and the from
macro-level. Thinking in the human case (biologically it could make sense
too) the micro level is dominated by syntaxis, by a Shannonian type of
analysis on messages emitted from a sourced to a receiver. The meso level
contains meaning, value (fitness), purpose, and in general it implies the
communication associated to the behavioral episodes and living rhythms of
individuals. While in the macro level, many individuals' actions, works,
products, etc. are aggregated into fluxes or flows, basically of two kinds
those devoted to the material (self-production) and those carrying the info
stuff devoted to communication; then it invites analysis of network science,
operations research, economic efficiency, etc., and of course the direct
flow perspective as Bejan and Peder (2011) have attempted in one of the most
interesting theories on self-constructing flow systems. Depending on the
information perspective in which we observe human communication, we will
need one or another lens to better make sense of what is
happening.<br><br>My impression is that a more mature info science could be
quite helpful in this new field of urban development science --most people
nowadays are living in cities. Top down planning will fail if it is does not
match with the bottom up processes, both in communication and
self-production aspects. Keeping an adequate social flow of information, a
well-mixed regime of communication, is the essence of democracy. The
contemporary "epidemics of loneliness" for instance may be due among other
social and demographic causes to failures in bureaucratic high level
planning...<br><br>best ---Pedro<br><br>PS. After the nasty computer crash
months ago, we should try to enliven the list--shouldn't we?<br><br>--
<br>------------------------------<u></u>-------------------<br>Pedro C.
Marijuán<br>Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group<br>Instituto
Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud<br>Centro de Investigación Biomédica de
Aragón (CIBA)<br>Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X<br>50009 Zaragoza,
Spain<br>Tfno. <a href="tel:%2B34%20976%2071%203526" value="+34976713526" target="_blank">+34 976 71 3526</a> (& 6818)<br><a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a><br>
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